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I still think you should reinstall AVIsynth and DGdecode and verify the paths actually lead to the right place. It has to be close and simple at this point.

 

Funny how my config file has managed to be "messed up" and "overdone" when all I did was follow the guides, lol. In any case, I DO appreciate the ongoing assistance from you guys

BTW bear, I never said I had a trial of CCE SP...I have a full (paid) version...so how will that change the setup file you pasted here for me?


Fullasoul

 

Set:

CCE=1

I'd also recommend you set:

Quality_prec=16

It is set on a virtual scale of 1-64 rather than 1-100 so it matches any version of CCE. It is converted between scales.

 

Fullasoul

Things do get frustrating when they don't work but if these people can't help you, then you can't be helped. When I first got started using RB/CCE (versions 40 somthing I think) I used the guide for my setup and it worked like a charm. Now times moved on and after about 140 movies or more and I've yet to have a single problem.

It gets difficult sometimes to isolate a problem when it could be a software conflict/operating system problem, a setup problem, a hardware problem, and yes even a few bugs in RB. You just need to be patient and rational.

 

Well i tried it with the setup file brobear posted for me....same results. I then tried it with the 2 changes jdobbs recommended....same thing. No matter what I do, the end result of the "prepare" phase is to tell me that it's preparing a 900mb-ish finished DVD with bitrates averaging between 700-800

I'm NOT prepared to reinstall Avisynth as it is one of the cores of my work here, and for the amount of work I spent getting that setup exactly the way I needed it for work, there is clearly nothing "corrupt" about it. What programs are actually used during the "Prepare" process? Could it be the decoder dll I'm using?

I'm gonna go try point to a different decoder dll and see what that does....trying REALLY hard to not give up on this thing a second time....

Fullasoul

 

oh well...that didn't work either


Fullasoul

 

You don't have to have a defective AVIsynth to have a problem with the setup.
Since you have modified the install process and do not wish to start from scratch and do not wish to use the installer it would be difficult for me to find an alternative way to fix you setup.

From scratch it is a few minutes to setup manually or with the installer. It will work if you don't change the install routine.
This would of course include removing AVIsynth and reinstalling with no changes or modifications for personal preferences.

 

"BTW bear, I never said I had a trial of CCE SP...I have a full (paid) version..."

The path to CCESP in your post was to a trial version.

"CCENew=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\CCE SP Trial Version\cctsp.exe"

 

Hi all,

Since my orignal problem of the error 3# etc, which i finaly got around, I came up with the small dvd rebuild size problem. I haVe been reading the posters here and on other sites before I troubled anyone with my problem, and to ensure I had tried everything i could to solve it myselfe.

So fare, as suggested to others with the same problem, I have clean installed from scratch with my original setup of

CCE 2.69 Basic Retail,
AviSynth 2.5.5
DVD REBUILD V70
DGDecode.dll

Same result, I Changed the ini file with no change in the file size, it seemed to be ignored, with same result, I changed CCE to 2.50, and tried v2.7trial, 2.90sp trial, changed back to MPEG2Dec3dg.dll, just in case, and all combonations of the above.

So after trying everything that had been suggested with settings I decided to get the latest installer do it for me. V72b

I stayed with 2.50 as that was the only one I didnt get the error 3# from and installed from the insaller. Same result!

I deinstalled everything again, and tried the installer with 2.9 basic retail. Same result. The largest file I can get is 3.5gig, with only one sound track. This is my only problem, Which programe controlls the file size, changing it in rebuilder.ini does not increase the file size.

Tks

Ozzy

 

ahh THAT's why he said that....I have a paid 2.67 and a trial 2.7....tried it with both and I get the same results, regardless of the setting in the setup file.

I'm a bit confused at you telling me I've "altered" the install process. I've installed this thing both ways..first by using the guide, and then by using the Rockas installer. Results are the same each time...


Fullasoul

 

You wouldn't by chance have any extraneous files in the source directory would you (other than just the DVD files)? DVD-RB looks at the total size of the source directory to see how much "unchanged" material it has to copy. But when it doesn't check to see what kind of files they are. Do a directory of the source and see how big it is. Make sure there aren't any left over files from a previous encode.

Just a possibility.

 

@jdobbs

nope...nothing extra in the source directory...

I'd really like to know which of these programs (CCE, Avisynth, etc) are even USED during this "Prepare" process. The LAST thing I wanna do is tinker with my Avisynth install, but it would be worth it for me to try and create a secondary Avisynth install somewhere if there's a chance that would make a difference....

Not looking good here...


Fullasoul

 

just noticed one other "oddity"...in case it's worth anything...

Looking at the output to the status box at the end of each of these "Prepare" phases...indeed the high/low/average bitrates always come up around what I've said already...yet a few lines prior to that is a line that says "Reduction Level For DVD-5", and in all cases, that shows 22.3%. Keeping in mind that my source is a little over 7gb, that actually sounds CORRECT. The percentage would certainly be MUCH higher if, whatever is reporting that data, believed that it needed to take that 7gb down to 810KB, which is what winds up being reported a few lines later...

- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 22.3%
- Overall Bitrate : 622Kbs
- Space for Video : 810,020KB
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 1,174/863/622 Kbs

Dunno....just thought that might possibly help pinpoint where the problem is...


Fullasoul

 

Okay, looking back at your posts... here's the problem:

The original disc is 7,604,105,216 bytes long.

but

If you add up the total of the three VTSs to be encoded and the audio that is being excluded you come up with 3,711,782,912 bytes.

Which means there are 3,892,322,304 bytes unaccounted for -- that's why you are getting the low bitrate. DVD-RB believes there is a huge amount of data that can't be reencoded.

Is this a multiangled movie? If so, it probably is angled throughout -- but that would lead me to believe that it would only happen in this instance, while you are giving the impression it happens all the time.

Have you actually tried more than this disc?

Does this disc have multiple LPCM audio tracks?

 

@jdobbs

man, you are GOOD! I didn't even notice that it kept coming up with exactly HALF the original size in it's summation of the source. Indeed this IS a multiangle source (I haven't even watched it yet, so I honestly wasn't aware of that beforehand).

And yes, this is the only DVD I've been trying this out with for the last 2 days. As mentioned, I DID try using DVDRB when it first came out several months ago, and at that time, I had size-related issues as well which caused me to give up until just the other day. If not for the past experience (which was probably caused by a whole different issue that I never thoroughly troubleshot), I probably would have thought to try some different discs today/yesterday.

I'm working with another disc now....a TV-show DVD actually. They pack these suckers, so I figure this would give me a good idea of the worst-case scenario in terms of the quality (due to the amount of needed reduction). Phase I just finished, and my HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE reads: 3,907/100/2,184.

For a DVD packed up this much, that looks right to me...and the status bar has already made it clear that it's looking to give me nearly 4gb of video this time, not 900KB. It appears this mystery has been solved

Thank you very much for your help guys...especially you jdobbs. I will come back shortly to (hopefully) report a completed success!


Fullasoul

 

Fullasoul

That exe file for the 2.70 is cctspt.exe. Also, the guides I used don't have you putting Decomb, Pro Coder and others in your path set up for a basic installation. As Donald pointed out and you admitted, you weren't forthright with your configuration file. Don't know and don't care what you're up to there. If I were, I'd ask why you're using a trial if you have a legit version of SP Retail. After all, they use the same HASP dongle, so it would be a simple download and install by using your retail version serial number and password.

For someone who is into working with video, you have a lesson to learn. Reinstalling AviSynth is a common practice and you don't have to loose any of your plugins or settings. Just tag the Plugins and any other files you gave personal touches with .bak. You'll find when you delete and reload Avisynth that they are still there. You can then rename the new folders .bak2 and delete the .bak from the files and they're back to where they were with the fresh install. Simple as renaming a few files.

As far as sizing and a clean install, it does work. I suffered the same problem. After making sure the configuration was correct, which you didn't, I deleted the entire set up and reinstalled RB, CCE, the AviSynth, and the Mpegdec3 plugin (happened before the newer DGDecode). So, a clean install can take care of sizing problems. The explanation is either corrupted files or Windows isn't reading the interface correctly. Irregardless of the cause, it is often faster and easier to do a complete install than go through hours of diagnostics and still not find the root cause and end up doing the same.

If the problem isn't with the individual source, then I would agree with Donald, do a clean install.

[bold]BTW, edited the previous configuration settings to read for CCE SP Retail prior to 2.70. As jdobbs pointed out the Quality Prec settings vary between versions and the CCE= setting varies with the version of CCE being used. >>Be sure to double check the paths since you have been changing versions, the basic configuration settings I supplied will set up the program to work.<<[/bold] Those particuar settings do work because I tested them out personally with the 2.70 trial. Earlier versions of SP trials require eclCCE which they sometimes forget to mention in the guides. That reminds me, what guides told you to set up the configuration with all those additional settings? As a prominent person in the development of RB once told me, the Decomb can cause more problems than it'll fix. So use it only when needed. (Don't set the path to it if you aren't going to use it.)

 

BroBear,

Unfortunately reinstall does not fix the problem, as I pointed out I have done this a number of times changing the versions of AviSynth, CCE, and just now I even tried changing to Canopus Procoder, and got the same small file problem.

PS: Fullasoul, clarified a few posts ago that he had CCE Basic retail and was trying as I had other versions RE: CCE SP to see if it was the version that was the problem.

Ozzy

 

ozzy666
What works for some doesn't always for others. As I said, the problem I had was extremely small file sizes with the resulting horrible video quality. The fix (in my case) was a clean installation of everything related to the RB set up. I'm not saying it will work in every case. But, it doesn't take that long to do and it sure can save a lot of time if that's the solution to the problem. If it doesn't, then at least you know that isn't the cure and not that much time lost.

 

ozzy666
You've talked about using different versions and trials, try deciding on the one you want to use and supply the configuration settings for that particualar one. It might give us some insight into what you're doing. (Basic trials will not work due to the time restriction. SP Trials prior to 2.70 have to have eclCCE to function properly. The guides are usually written for Retail versions, so that little fact is often left out.) Try not to do as Fullasoul and give a Trial path and then say it's retail or vice versa. As pointed out, settings and set up vary between versions.

 

Im Currently cleaning out my PC of anything I do not deperatley need. I have my hard drive in three partitions, one specificaly for the recoding process, one for the ripped backups, and one for XP.

When cleaned, I will defrag again, and then reinstall with the installer, to avoid any human error on my part (Which im convinced its not).

Ill post the ini file and the results when I have finished, If I get the same result again after this then there has to be a conflict with other software I have on my PC. There can be no other expanation.

Gracias

Ozzy