Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.

Quote Brobear:"I believe I'll take his word over yours.

Then you should read everything he says,

Quote jdobbs: "I've found that the 16 setting is best for most encoding sessions".

And the other "posts" "contradicting" my findings were?

you realy should read more closely.

 

Edit.

 

Doc and I started this thread. In a conversation with Donald (64026402) I'd described an idea about creating the thread and Doc of course ever the lurker read it and reminded me of the conversation and suggested that we start it. Doc and I discussed its content and purpose in detail and after having floated a few ideas past each other we posted it. We had to get the timing right so that Doc's FAQs followed the intro.

If you guys took a minute to be social you might find that you have more in common than not, but if you both need to continue this debate then I'm donating www.dvdhounds.com for the stage.

 

The CCE manual makes it clear that nothing is gained with more than 4 passes.

As a long time user and supporter of RB/CCE, early contributor, and one of the first people in this thread I would agree with that statement.

I haven't subscribed to this thread in a while because I got tired of repeating myself to people who insisted on using trial versions and cracked versions, lying about what versions they're using, and then couldn't understand why they were having problems when all they had to do was get CCE Basic and all problems would be solved. Instead they blamed the Rebuilder app or some other ridiculous reason. My hat goes off to guys like Doc, Sophocles, brobear, Donald, and the rest for your tenacity and staying with it.

Since then jdobbs has gone considerably out of his way to accomodate these people not to mention rockas' considerable contributions for setup.

But the fact remains that CCE Basic only uses 2 passes. I have compared that to 4 passes with CCE SP and if there is any difference, it is barely minimal. I have made these comparisons on side by side split screen at 300% magnification.

I think we can safely say RB/CCE is the best app out there period for compression and talking anything over 4 passes is entirely for debate purposes. To argue whether 4 or 6 or 10 passes with CCE makes a difference is ludicrous.

Nolos, please let it drop and let the thread get back on track.

 

All that the extra passes really do is to more effectively distribute bit rates to maximize video motion and space. If you're creating a new DVD type 5 from scratch then go for it. But if you're compressing a commercially made type 9 then after a couple of passes, all the extra passes become increasingly less effective, and a waste of time. When you're compressing video, especially by as much as 30% or more, something has got to go, you can't keep it all.

 

Ever the little lightning rod... I wasn't even the first to mention much of this. No need to further anything on http://www.dvdhounds.com . RB Prec settings: 16 good, 24 acceptable with little impact, and more than 4 CCE passes of no use. Other than that, Nolos doesn't like me. That pretty much sums things up. Nothing is likely to change unless jdobbs and CCE makes some drastic changes to their programs.

 

Hi fellas, this is the perfect topic for my situation, please bare with me.
Relevant setup: DVD Rebuilder 0.77, CCE SP Trial 2.70.02.

I read that this DVD-RB / CCE combo doesn’t mix too well.
Stubborn and in for a test as I am I experimented with this setup to see just how instable it is.
I was away for a week, so I just put some Stargate DVD's in the cue and let it churn the butter, see if and where where it slips up.

DVD one went just fine, but it choked on DVD two.
This is odd since the layout and structure of both the DVD’s are practically identical, just different episodes.

The following pics tells it all. Please advise.



The log can be found here -> http://www.xs4all.nl/~eikelman/temp/rebuilder.txt

Please advise.


System specs: XPPro, NTFS, XP-M@2,4GHz (200x12), 1024MB, dozens of gigs free.

 

bigo

You've been a major contributing member to this thread right from the beginning. It wouldn't have worked without you. brobear might have joined in late but he too has helped keep this thread going.

Hmm! I was looking forward to the dvdhounds challenge. Oh Well! Better luck next time.

 

tijert

RB/CCE has been the modality for many of us. It’s the trial versions and cracked versions that have caused most of the problems, especially in setup. I’ve noted that your source file is D:\. Are you trying to do it on the fly from your D:\drive to your F:\drive? Here’s some simple advice. Rip the movie to your hard disk using DVD Decrypter in file mode. If you’re trying do batch encoding then read the second post on this thread which has a guide.

 

I read that this DVD-RB / CCE combo doesn’t mix too well.

WHHAATTT?????

I don't know where you read that, but nothing could be further from the truth. There is no better combo IMHO.

Soph is spot on with his analysis, it looks like your trying it from your drive instead of a folder with your decrypter rip. You're talking 3-4 hours processing time, far too long to get a consistant read from your drive.

Also, I noticed you're using trial version of CCE SP, again, that's where all the problems come in. You'll never have problems with a purchased version of CCE Basic. Have you tried Rockas' installer?

One other thing, are you trying to use batch process from your drive?

Soph, thanx for the compliment but I'm afraid I just don't have your patience,LOL.

 

bigorange,

I have no problem droping the subject. In fact I made a point of say to him that I accepted his opinion, if not his bed manner. If you have read the thread, I was not the one to introduce the subject again, nor was I the one to continue it with long winded posts.

 

Nolos

Good start! Why not join us a friend? You'll be welcomed

 

Nolos

Balderdash. And I wasn't the one making asinine, snide remarks and trying to pick an argument because I don't like someone's manner in posting on a forum. At least be responsible enough to admit you started a disagreement over nothing that concerned you. If you want to count unfriendly remarks on a forum, you need to count your own in the mix.

Sophocles,
You're right, I believe this does need to go elsewhere. Is Bloodhounds still available?

 

Sophocles

Thank you,

But one question, since most of these comments have been made in relation to a manual that is no longer current. (And certainly does not say the same in regards to multiple passes in ver 2.70 SP)making the comments irrelivent.

Has anyone honestly duplicated what I had done with 2.70 SP and comparing 24 prec and 16 at 2 passes, 3 passes, 4, 5, and 6.

Then if you have not how can you claim my result was not possible.

I have two burnt disks at 6 passes one at 24 prec and the othr at 16, that show a visable diffeence, by mistake or not that is the result I quoted.

Untill someone else does the same with different results, I can only say that that was my result and I dont need to argue it.

 

subject introduced as I said,


Quote Brobear,

"All you've done is make snide remarks and useless comments. 16 to 24 on the Prec scales makes little difference. Doing 6 passes on SP using Rebuilder borders on anal".

And now subject close.

 

Nolos
The quote was well after you started your attack on me.

If you're going to quote me, at least do a good job of it. I put the part in about the quality settings and passes for 2 reasons. First of all to point out the only thing you've said worthwhile in the whole thread goes against what just about everyone, including the author of RB and makers of CCE have to say on the subject. Second to show how little you've actually contributed other than your petty attack on me. I guess I'm the lightning rod, but others have made corroborating comments on the topic.

[bold]...but you're taking it a bit too far and doing exactly what you accuse others of, being a troublemaker. Keep it up, you'll only prove the point.[/bold] And you have.

I guess the members of the forum and this thread need to now bow to your superior wisdom and knowledge. You have successfully burned a few discs at different settings and you are now the resident expert. Sophocles tried to quieten things down and you turn around and keep the same arrogant attitude in play. To stop the situation from going any farther, I have no more to say to you. From here on out, I'll just ignore you as the pest you've become.

 

tijgert
I have to agree with bigorange. On most of the forums I've noticed, CCE has most often been the encoder of choice with Rebuilder. I've been using the RB/CCE setup for some time now. I have to say jdobbs has done an excellent job of developing RB so that an encoder as good as CCE can be used with ease.

As pointed out, most of the problems have been in setup. Prior to SP 2.70 the trials for CCE had to be used with eclCCE to function properly with RB. Many people made mistakes with the setup and others tried to use cracked trials that wouldn't work properly. With 2.70.01 the trial *.exe could be entered into the path instead of the eclCCE *.exe. This simplified things and made the setup easier. Rockas with the installer program really made things easy. Following the initial trial of 2.70, CCE came out with an updated version; the 2.70.02 which you're using. I ran into a problem with that program not initiating the encode properly. Rockas informed me that in the setup one needs to select the box "Run Apps Minimized". I've done various trials with CCE from 2.50 to the current 2.70 and have found them all to work well with RB when set up properly.

I guess I should add, few setup problems have occurred using CCE Basic Retail. The Basic trial times out, so it isn't usable with RB. For $58 CCE Basic is a bargain; especially considering it is similar to the $2000 SP. Basic has fewer bells and whistles and is limited to 2 passes, but it is basically the same encoding engine.

 

Nolos

I test just about everything, but when I'm not testing then some one else who I know is and then there's jdobbs. I'm not going to let this feud devolve into a pointless argument. If you've got something to share then join us and tell us how it should be shared, but however it's done it'll be done in comradery.


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tijgert
I looked at your log. 17 hours to do the DVD that was successful and the failure occurred in the rebuild segment on the second DVD around 15 hours. Those times are really excessive. A copy of your configuration settings from the Rebuilder program folder in windows might be helpful. Something is wrong. Even with one of the SP trials running at 4 passes, an encode only runs around 3.5 to 4 hours on my PC. (Sophocles says my PC is slow as an ass. LOL)

What is the situation with your system that caused the excessive times? It could be a factor in why the encode failed.

 

Nolos et al...FWIW, I contacted Custom Technology (Cinema Craft) about 6 months ago and asked about the differences between Basic and SP. An engineer responded that the encoding engines were exactly the same...adding that the difference in price is due to SP having far more capabilites (which are processes unrelated to what we are doing here with our backups).

If there has been a SP version upgrade, I've not found it. If anyone knows if there has been, let me know, and I will ask CT if we are still talking apples and apples with Basic's and SP's engine.