Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.

Nolos, you say you want to drop it, but then you always add another comment which serves to add fuel to the fire. I re-read the last several pages, and you admonished brobear 3 times with no provocation on his part. We are all well aware of brobear's sometimes brusque manner, however his posts are informative and helpful in nature, as is his nature and we just take them with the spirit intended.

Your opinion disagrees with the majority including RB's author as to the number of passes, but that's OK, everyone is entitled to their own convictions.. Suffice to say we aren't going to change your mind and you aren't going to change ours. I submit that you take this to sophocles' generous offer of a forum for argument's sake and you and brobear have at it.

Hopefully this thread can then get back on track. We welcome you here at AD and any constructive comments or discoveries you make are welcome.

 

Doc
Here's the history on CCE SP for the past year. Some minor updates for the encoder and program enhancements. I haven't noticed any major changes and 2.70 has been with us since September of 2004.


Version 2.70.02.00 Thursday, February 10, 2005

Changes
- Updated encoder engine to 2.70 rev.8.
- Updated HASP driver to 4.96.
- Updated User's Guide.

Enhancements
- Supported QuickTime movie play on Video trimming window.
- Enabled to specify a template in plug-in version.

Bug Fixes
- Fixed miscellaneous bugs.

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Version 2.70.01.05 Monday, December 13, 2004

Bug Fixes
- Wave output was short when 3:2 pulldowned.
- Fixed miscellaneous bugs.

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Version 2.70.01.04 Friday, November 5, 2004

Bug Fixes
- Fixed miscellaneous bugs.

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Version 2.70.01.03 Friday, October 22, 2004

Bug Fixes
- Wave output procedure might not be completed.
- Fixed miscellaneous bugs.

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Version 2.70.01.01 Friday, September 30, 2004

Bug Fixes
- File size calculation was incorrect when in point is other than zero.
- Audio in point was not properly calculated when 3:2 pulldown was selected.

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Version 2.70.01.00 Friday, September 24, 2004

Changes
- Updated encoder engine to 2.70.
- Changed GUI.

Enhancements
- Supported Adobe Premiere Pro/Pro1.5. (plug-in version)
- Added automatic resolution conversion function.
- Enabled to change frame size.
- Enabled to specify file size.
- Added 3:2 pulldown (24p -> 60i) function.
- Added auto 2-pass pulldown detection function.
- Added several parameters for quality setting.
- Added de-interlacing function.
- Added 4:1:1 -> 4:2:2 interpolation function.
- Enabled to output bottom field first stream.
- Enabled to save/load chapter list to/from file.
- Enabled to save/load template to/from file.
- Enabled to use the last modified parameter setting.
- Enabled to shut down the system when finished encoding.
- Enabled to play a sound file when finished encoding.
- Added a log output setting in the "Options" menu.

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Version 2.67.00.27 Thursday, April 15, 2004

Bug Fix
- When you output one file from Type-1 DV AVI files including ones with
shorter audio than video, an application error occurred. (standalone version)

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Come-on! They don't get any cuddlier than brobear! Do they?

Ok perhaps not, but it would be a shame for you guys to waste a potential friendship over points of view.

 

Sophocles
And I was going to change my name to Theodore Edward (AKA Ted E.) LOL Bigorange can be my friend, even if he thinks I'm "brusque".

 

Brobear...thanks for the info (do you have a link?). I see that there was a very recent change. It may be time to contact CT again to see if the engines are still the same.

 

Bigorange can be my friend, even if he thinks I'm "brusque".

I also said just "sometimes" and that you had an informative and helpful nature. LOL

I appreciate the friendship offer tho, Lord knows I need 'em.LOL

Soph- cuddly??????? LMFAO!!

 

Doc,
These links are from the Cinema Craft, Inc. website.

http://www.cinemacraft.com/eng/download.html#pro (all CCE programs)

http://www.cinemacraft.com/files/txt/sh27020e.txt (SP history)

 

Nolos

You'll love us once you get to know us. dRD struggled with this issue and then after great thought decided to keep us.

 

When I said "THIS DVD-RB / CCE combo didn't work well" I was not talking about using CCE at all together with RB, but just that 2.70.02.00 was causing problems.
I have the basic version, I just want to experiment with the SP trial.
I also read on Doom9 about changing the header info in the .ecl to get it to work.

But why did it work fine the first time then?

I ripped all DVD's to my D drive (K is my optical drive) and batch processed them from there to F which is on a physically other drive.

The thing that I don't get is why it did the first DVD without a hitch, but the second (and after a test, also the third) DVD choked at 25% during the rebuild? If it fails once, it should fail again, it can't 'accidentally' not fail.

But it get's stranger. Now I also got a popup window telling me "Debugger detected blabladibla Filemon Regmon blabla uninstall to work".
There is no such thing on my machine and I didn't even reboot for a week.

As for the long duration of encoding... since I was away for a week I decided to make it all 9 pass encodings, just for the fun of it. (my test of the 3rd DVD was 5 passes and it too came crashing down at 25% on the rebuild.)

 

I can't say for sure what the problem is, but I do know that not all ripped files are created equal. I would suggest re-riping the third DVD, and then encoding it by itself, rather than part of a project. Also, make sure the drives are defragged.

 

Also, use disk cleanup in Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools. Then reboot the PC. Don't be multi tasking, cut the passes back to 3 or 4, and remember to check the "Run Apps Minimized" box.

 

I would definately stop using the trial SP version. It adds to the headache of trouble shooting the setup.

Tijgert. Have you backed up the DVD in question with CCE basic succesfully?


As for Nolos and his many passes.
Additional passes are largely a waste of time past the standard 2 pass encode. I have not seen any useful improvement on my part for 3 or more.
I would be more interested in 1 pass VBR for time savings, but not for 2000 dollars. 2 pass is a near perfect compromise for DVD backups.
This is yet one more opinion.
If Nolos wants to make many passes just for fun then fine. But no further knowledge is to be gained in this area.

Testing and trouble shooting CCE basic and the ever improving DVDrebuilder programs is the primary goal of this group.

 

For reference I have had no actual problems with testing uncracked legal SP trial versions. But since no usefull output can be legally obtained this way I consider it a waste of resources.

If you want to test DVD rebuilder without any cost then just use the included encoder. If you get along with the program then pay the 58 bucks for CCE basic.
It isn't brain surgery. I also recomend a donation to Jdobbs for his efforts.

 

64026402

Thanks but as I have alread said, I have purchased the CCE Basic and I am a VIP member having donated to Jdobbs.

Which bring me to, is a forum for DVDRebuild Pro being considered.

My use of 2.70 was for trying it as apposed to basic, the very reason they offer a test version, TO TEST IT. If I spend my time using the software as it was intended, it is not a "waste of anyones resources" except mine, and I dont see why it upsets people so much.

I was not aware the "Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE", title of the thread had changed to "Testing and trouble shooting "CCE basic" and the ever improving DVDrebuilder programs" and this now being the primary goal of this group.

But now that we know I will comply.

 

<< Limitation of Trial version >>
1. This program expires after 30 days from installation date.
2. A logo will be inserted in the encoded stream.

 

Yes Brobear, I think everyone knows that. Is there a point?

 

Just that CCEbasic/DVDrebuilder is a marketable usable program combination for anyone.
CCEsp/DVDrebuilder is not.

Anyone with the money and resources to have a legal CCEsp install already have the knowledge to use it with DVDrebuilder. Most questions and infomation regarding SP are best asked in a different place.

 

Nolos

I don't think that AD has any plans for a DVDRB forum. If you're looking for more than what we're discussing here then you might want to check out Doom9.org, jdobbs moderates his own RB forum there.

 

A question for Nolos.

Are you satified with the results of you DVDrebuilder attemps with CCE basic. Are there any problems?

 

Nolos
Yes there is a point. It was pointed out to you, but I have one as well. Do your testing quickly, your trial will expire shortly.

BTW everyone. I did like BigO and checked Nolos past contributions. He has posted exclusively to this thread so far. We are blessed. Most of his posts are attacking yours truly. Guess I got to be the little lightning rod here. Gee, aren't I the lucky one.

The following is a little commentary on someone with an agenda; not to be helpful, but to try to prove something. It's a bit lengthy, but with the storage AD has, it's only like a grain of sand on the beach. So, don't worry about my taking up space.

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[bold]Funny, the first response to Nolos was a helpful post by Brobear.[/bold]

Nolos
Newbie
28. February 2005 @ 17:05

Hi am backing up my copies of, Lord of the rings extended versions, I was wondering if anyone had done thiers, and if they had any advice.

I have already done the extras DVDs X 6 at 41% and it looks good. The movie disks x 6 range from 7.3 to 7.8gig. Any suggestions on tweeking for the best result would be appreciated.

Thank you

Nolos


brobear
AfterDawn Addict
28. February 2005 @ 22:12

Not a lot to tweaking RB/CCE unless you do some editing. Leaving out unwanted audio and subtitle tracks is always a good idea. Under mode you can use Steal Space From Extras for a decrease in compression of the main movie. The beauty or RB/CCE is that it works so well under compression that you don't have to delete the extras to get a good backup.

At 7.3 to 7.8GB, you shouldn't even have to use the Steal option.

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[bold]An unsolicited response to jdobbs. First sign of Nolos perceived grievance.[/bold]

Nolos
Newbie
1. March 2005 @ 17:54

Hmmm the list is growing.

Fullasoul, Ozzy, HKT3020, sox2k.


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[bold]Nolos tells Sophocles how he thinks the thread should be run.[/bold]

Sophocles
AfterDawn Addict
1. March 2005 @ 19:32
Finally! someone saying something nice to someone else.

Can we all start off with a clean slate? Aren't we all here for the same purpose essential purpose?

Let's share our experiences and help each other to overcome obstacles.

CCE Basic is a really good encoder, and many of us have been fortunate enough to enjoy its attributes without incident.


Nolos
Newbie
1. March 2005 @ 20:38

Sophocles

I agree, I have been following the thread for some weeks since using CCE and DVD rebuild, and have overcome my own obstacles by reading those who have shared their experiences, and advice. As Im sure many others have too.

I think however the future of the thread is linked directly to new members of which four out of the last six have complained about a senior members responses.


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[bold]Nolos asks for info that Brobear supplied in the first response to Nolos.[/bold]


Nolos
Newbie
4. March 2005 @ 17:17

Im still doing Lord of the rings I, II, and III extended. As most would know there is no Extras on the movie disk,

The Menus are up to a gig in size, so I have used Nero recode to shrink them, and the credits on disk two of each volume is up to a gig also, but I have no way of decreasing its size.

Is there any function in DVDRebuild to steel space from say, the credits to decrease the size of the credits? other than removing them?

Nolos
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 4. March 2005 @ 17:19

rockas
Newbie
4. March 2005 @ 17:22
Have you tried RB-OPT?


Nolos
Newbie
4. March 2005 @ 17:50
hi rockas,

No I havnt because I dont know what it is.

What is it and whatt does it do.


rockas
Newbie
4. March 2005 @ 17:55 Report an offensive post
You can make the download from my site... here:
http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=24

Just read the info and the TXT files on the zip file... it's not hard to use.

My installer includes it 'cause I know it is very usefull.


Nolos
Newbie
4. March 2005 @ 18:03 Report an offensive post
Thanks Rockas, that seems to be what I am looking for, Ill have a look at it tonight.

Tks

Nolos

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[bold]Nine days later Nolos gives jdobbs his findings. Contrary to most previous findings and stated data by jdobbs and the CCE manual. Overlooked questions and answers at the beginning of the thread[/bold]

Nolos
Newbie
13. March 2005 @ 08:05 Report an offensive post
I tried Quality Prec for SP 2.70 at 24, and found a drop in quality, I tried it against quality prec 16 2 passes, 3 passes and 6 passes, and the notable difference was 6 passes were prec 24 was considerably lower quality. Anyone found better quality from changing to 24 prec?

Nolos


jdobbs
Member
13. March 2005 @ 08:47 Report an offensive post
The quality precedence setting decides priority among image areas which the encoder assigns to allocate the bit amount. In DVD-RB a value of 0 to 64 can be speci&#64257;ed. It's important that you think about it on that scale, because different versions of CCE use different scales. DVD-RB will interpret the 0-64 value to the proper scale for the specific CCE version.

The initial value is 16. As the value becomes closer to 0, a higher bit amount is allocated to complicated images areas. As the value becomes closer to 64, a higher bit amount is allocated to &#64258;at image areas. When the value is close to 0, the mosquito noise at the edges (noise causing hazy part along the edges, looking like &#64258;ying mosquitoes) is less outstanding, but the contouring noise (noise which looks like contour line patterns, which appear in &#64258;at and wide areas, such as a dark background) is more outstanding. The opposite occurs when the value is closer to 64.

I've found that the 16 setting is best for most encoding sessions.

(Some of this text is "borrowed" from the CCE manual)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. March 2005 @ 08:54

Nolos
Newbie
13. March 2005 @ 09:40 Report an offensive post
Hi jdobbs,

the mosquito noise at the edges is the effect I got, I tried it on one of the LOTR_SEE which are a full 8gig, the changes from one interview to another showed these mosquito noise. The 16 prec showed no such affect, and seemed to be of simular visual quality in all other areas, Well with my tv and pc setup in any case, which is what matters to me.

I also found that image quality was not noticable better with any extra passes from 3 to 6, 2 to 3 was beter and 3 to 6 passes better again but in between I could see no improvement. With the documentries I dont mind the Cincraft log so I have been doing 6 pass on them, with great results. Although the each disk was not totaly consistant in quality even though they are simular size.

It great testing but the time involved is extreem.

Nolos.

PS I think I just became your newest VIP member, thank you for your great programe, it will save many of my prized DVDs from distruction from the evil children. LOL

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[bold]Another unsolicited response by Nolos, this time on how Brobear should conduct himself.[/bold]

Nolos
Newbie
18. March 2005 @ 20:25

Great Bro, another positive responce. Thankfully you are not the marketing manager for the product.


brobear
AfterDawn Addict
18. March 2005 @ 22:03

Nolos
Quote:
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Thankfully you are not the marketing manager for the product.
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I am not the marketing manager for the product, though I am a proponent of the RB app.

I merely pointed out there is no purchase of trialware in the case of the CCE SP trial. Also, one doesn't purchase the RB to use with it. Though jdobbs I am sure appreciates the donations to help keep the development going. I was also kind enough to point out that according to what was posted, the setup needed to be changed. All in all, an informative post. I don't believe one needs to act like another's mother to post on the forum.

Quote:
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Great Bro, another positive responce.
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And another of your snide little remarks. If you have a problem with what I say, report it to a mod. Otherwise, we don't need your little remarks about what who says and when. Get a life.

When they make you a mod, then you can start trying to control the forums. We get back on track and someone like you jumps in and accomplishes what you're accusing me of.

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[bold]Nolos starts his attack and the rest is history.[/bold]

Nolos
Newbie
19. March 2005 @ 12:40
Quote Brobear:
I don't believe one needs to act like another's mother to post on the forum.

Great then dont speek to people like you are.

In this thread alone, as I have not read any others, I have seen at least five people make comment about the manner of your responces, I have seen only one of them continue to post. Dont you think you should take note of that?

Thats one quarter of new posters complained and left.

I dont have to be a mod to be concerned about that.[/d]



[bold]Nolos can say whatever he will. It is obvious he came on this forum with his own agenda. He has been of little help and has actually been rude at some point to almost everyone unlucky enough to come into his proximity. Sophocles, Doc, and Donald have all tried to deal with him with comradery with no thanks. Insincere acquiescence is a hollow gesture.[/bold]