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Good call chrono27............

No comparison, F1 car vs NASCAR............Well you may just be able to see the NASCAR in the mirrors.............Eatin' dust......

 

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"its true F1 cars almost drive by themselves"

You reckon?


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"but F1 is the most seen in the world couse you really need skills to drive and to set up the car."

So are they hard to drive or not? I am confused by these apparently contradicting statements.


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"cause theres not much science in turning left"

Depends on the left hander, does that apply to the blind left on a brow after Eau Rouges at Spa?


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"i bet with my karting expirience i can be as fast as those guys in nascar"

LOL!! Comparing karting to NASCAR?


ROTFLMAO!


Pulsar

 

This is too funny, good questions Pulsar. But he is right, because he has driven a Kart I bet he could run with the boys in NASCAR. In fact he has inspired me, I have thrown a baseball at least 10,000 times, I'm going to pitch for the Yankees. Look for me. As far as seeing Nascar in the mirror, your right, just before it runs F1 ass over. 10 years from now Nascar will be as big if not bigger than F1. The plans are already in motion to go over seas.

 

Won't be as popular as F1 in the UK, Superbikes and F1 here run very close to each other, but I do think superbikes just edge it actually........

 

Superbikes, now those boys are crazy. I havent actualy watch a whole race, but I have seen parts. Pretty cool.

 

Yeah, out of three that are being discussed, I would say that those guys certainly know how to race................with minimal technology and no roll cages...............just the back protectors/helmets/gloves and knee pads...........

 

What about that Rossi/Gibernau move? I thought it was pure class, racing as it was meant to be, riding by the seat of your pants. The Isle of Man TT is the ultimate bike race.

NASCAR will never be as popular in the UK, It is not technical enough, we also demand proper race tracks. Trees & walls, bends uphills & downhills. It would be interesting running the NASCARS around the old Hockenheim (minus the chicanes, in the good old days!) That was 100% throttle for 85% of the race. Spa would be the next challenge for them. Once I see them tackle a track like that, then I will have a look.

The bike GPs are getting more interesting as each race passes. I would like to see the Paris-Dakar rally televised & a bit more moto-ross. Some hope! Far too much football & golf for my liking.

 

you know pulsar i got kind of mad when you made fun of my tread, but when you laugh at comparing nascar to kart made me wonder if you ever driven at least your mama's minivan, in case you didnt know karting is the basic of all driven motor sports, if you wnat to make it to F1 you must have proven yourself at go-kart, and in case you didnt know the f1 cars do almost drive by them self, but is the in race settings like break andjustment to each corner is what makes the diference, just watch as how the drivers are always tweaking som knob on the stering whell to improve race performance.
il see if i can post a pic of a stereng wheel so you canse what im talking about

 

I am well aware of the steering wheel capabilities in F1 cars. They cost £20K+. I am also fully aware of the basic driving principles, Senna had his own style even whilst he karted. The thing is, is that, you made quite a bold statement. (And are, therefore, leaving yourself wide open!)We would all like to think we would be handy round a race track, I include myself in that, bike or car. Just 'cos I may be quick on the road & rarely get overtaken by anyone else on a bike. does not mean I would be quick on a race track.
If you wish to get really technical you could make all the cars remote control, driven from the pitlane. It is possible, I suppose, but not much fun. Would a computer be able to feel the way a car is handling like a driver can?, I think not. The driver is fundamental. You are oversimplifying your arguement. Without the driver, there would be nothing.
The truth is that, to race an F1 car you have to be reasonably competent. The same, I guess, could be said for NASCAR. The 2 are leagues apart. To be a good driver is not just about going round a track for a couple of hours every other Sunday. There is a lot of work involved. Not many are cut out for it. They are just not good enough. Look at how F1 is. There are only a handful of really talented drivers in the whole pack.

 

Yes, Michael was a terror in Karts in the early 80's!
It's perfect for learning lines, and identifies the talented at an early age. Well known.
Nascar is okay I guess (it's an American thing).
The cars are huge, heavy and slow, with relatively narrow tires.
They're carburated, and mostly turn left.
It's OK to bump into the other guys - it's called "rubbin".
The fields are huge and the tracks short; there is plenty of action.

Hah! That sure isn't true.
Actually F1 cars are very edgy to drive these days, quite nervous below 10/10th speeds, hard to learn (hard to go slow in).
It was a credit to Jeff Gordon that he drove the Williams so well, so quickly :^)
He's not used to downforce - Montoya would have told him, if he didn't go fast through the corners the car might lose traction...
It must've sounded all-good to Gordon ;^)
He's just fast. A fast guy is fast - what was truly bizarre for him, he said, was the insane braking. LoL
Nascar actually runs 2 roadcourse events each season.
It's always a hoot, especially Watkins Glen (I love Watkins Glen).
They always hire special drivers (ringers) for these events, guys like Toronto local Ron Fellows.
Those real racetracks are a whole different ballgame...
L8R

 

Well, I guess we can all agree to disagree as to if Nascar can have as much sucess beyond the US boarders as F1. I'am after all admittedly bias towards Nascar. Every Sunday I'm glued to the TV. And maybe the F1 races I have watched, just havent been that good. I know that can happen in Nascar. I'll convince someone to watch a race and it will be the a race where one person dominates and there are zero cautions. So round and round they go. Luckly that does not happen very often. Then the person will wonder what I was talking about. Where's all the action?? I think F1 needs to come to Indy, it might open some eyes. Are they still talking about that? How about the people that say our drivers are not athletes? Or that racing is not a sport? Do you agree or disagree?

 

Friend, it is called "The Grand Prix of the United States", round 9 of the FIA World Championship.
Speedway, Indiana, USA.
I was at the first one, Sept.24, 2000 - got a TShirt, not going back, but it was pretty good though.
Distinctly inferior to Ile Notre-Dame (Montreal), a gorgeous National Park floating in the middle of the St. Lawrence River, which is used only once/year for the big race.
(Well I guess twice, now that CART Champ Cars run there in late summer.)
There is a spot we stand, where the cars go by @ 300kph, about 10 feet away while taking a big pull in top gear ;^)
Trust me, your TV speakers cannot hope to capture the glorious violence of that sound, and the resulting cacaphony of compression in the braking zone - the '1812 Overture' cannon-shot bass that blasts through your guts with every downshift.
To a true F1 fan, the cars are the stars (it doesn't really matter who wins).
The famous, historic racetracks of legend are the 2nd stars...
Hey, even the Minardi's are GLORIOUS in person; trust me :^)
Watching on TV means little, unless you have been to a race - then your subconscious mind fills in the fullness of the audio, and you smile fiendishly...
@hctr3
If you missed Imola (San Marino) last weekend, you missed a good one!
Actually, SPEEDvision did not broadcast that race - but it is being re-broadcast in the U.S. Friday April 29, at midnight (!) Eastern time (9PM Pacific).
Check it out and you will see why Michael Schumacher is still 'The Man'...
Regards

 

LOL, well I guess that shows just how on top of the F1 schedule I am. I thought I just read something (within the past year) like they were doing something diferent or something like that at Indy. Oh well. I live in Portland Oregon and we actualy have a pretty nice road course here. Turn one could be the most caution causing turns I have ever seen. Turn one is a 90 degree turn at the end of a half mile or so stragiht away. Cart still comes here and races. There is always a pileup on the first lap of the race going into that turn. It is not F1 but it's open wheel and fast none the less. We go every year. I agree, the sound of a race car is awesome. Both open wheel and Stock. Big difference between the two sounds though.

 

Well, it is very clear to me, whether you're a fan or in fact a paticipant one thing that we all have in common is the passion for the sport of choice........and that is a good thing as long as it is kept in context..................

The last few pages of discussion here have been very good, I like it, defend your corner............just like on the track............

 

Baabaa! (Are you a dumbass? Tee hee - nice one buddy :^)
Hey how about some Honda fans going ballistic?
No, eh...
Poor Jenson B. et al,
BAR is gettin' screwed here or what!?
The whole thing is really strange, but Jacques V. came out smelling sweet - he's up to 4th place in that race, LoL ;^)
Hey baabaa, what's up with F1 these days? I've been watching forever, and it just seems to get weirder & weirder lately...
So who do you like in Spain, lads?

 

LOL, having the weekend off...........

Yes, BAR have been absolutely 'nailed'.

A lenghty quote.

I think the next team to break a rule could land themselves in jail the way things are going.
I would like to know, why the driver would be scrutinised in these situations.
It is clear that there indeed was a breach, the severity of it I think is VERY questionable, and Max Mosley I believe is just trying to show everyone who is boss.
As the Stewards (after the race) saw no reason to persue BAR and accepted the reasoning from BAR.

When I found out, I was discussing it with my mate, and you know the whole thing stinks of Ron Dennis from Maclaren.
We then had a look at the results......and what do you know, who would benefit quite nicely from a suspension/10 point loss from San Marino........Maclaren would........Alex Wurtz was 4th in the race and Kimi blew it..........................

I tell you and I make no secret of it, Ron Dennis is a bad loser, and if there are any slight chances he can 'ripple' the water and benefit Maclaren then he goes out of his way to do it, I have never come across such a poor loser in F1 as much as Ron Dennis, and therefore would not be surprised if he was the instigator behind this.

As said, the stewards investigated it and found no real breach and considered the matter closed.........someone rocked the boat again.........

Back to Spain.

Well Fernando has the crowd behind him this weekend, Barcelona did not used to be popular, however over the last 4 years, Fernando has turned things around, I think he still has the momentum from his excellent start to the season, and the fact Benetton are really progress with development and improvements can only lead to one thing and that is raw competetiveness.

Still, Schuey showed everyone that he is not sitting back and letting it go, he has a tough job ahead of him, but we know the 'prancing horse has fighting spirit', and I would not be surprised if we have another 'head to head' between Benetton and Ferrari (except this time we will see the good parts in the UK, instead of the ITV bollocks were they cut to adverts just before the end).
It is things like that, that puts SKY just a footstep closer to wrenching F1 away from clasps of our British TV.................

Good weekend hoped for, nice tight racing and rip roaring stuff expected.............

AND Montoya is back, even though he totalled his car on Friday..........can he put his 2 peneth in.............hope it's a good one............

 

Kimi!
He's gonna be fast (well he's always been) but he's HOT now - can they keep his wheels under him?
I like the guy, he's solid (no BS) and he tells it like it is...
HEY - can somebody explain how Montoya can spin, stop twice, and then make a third visit to his fuel rig, and still finish ahead of one-stop Rubens!?
That's fooked up... or what?
Maybe it's my imagination but hasn't Michael gone entire seasons without losing a tire?
Personally I've got Michelin Pilots on both my cars, but I bet The Schu is getting very upset with his Bridgestones.
Ahhh, Monte Carlo - I would love to attend but you need big $$$
They say Spa-Francorchamps is best for a visit, and affordable too :^)
Gotta get some sun before Montreal in June (we always burn to a crisp - it's tradition). SPF 200 required!
Canada gets more sun in June than Florida...
Somebody take that pansy bastard Brightman to a race - that'll shake him up, LoL ;^)
Y'awake Brightman? Will Mother let you go?
L8R lads