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Fahrenheit 9/11 What's all the fuss about?

Discussion in 'Safety valve' started by agent-k, Jul 9, 2004.

  1. Oriphus

    Oriphus Senior member

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    Canada does have more guns per capita than the U.S. FACT. But, the US has a lot more people which is were i think your confusion lies. :-D
     
  2. Deeman

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    Would never call anyone a liar Oriphus it just seems hard to believe even per capita. Where did you hear or read it? I also thought there was a hand gun ban in Canada.
     
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  4. Oriphus

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    Sorry the word lies was meant as in laid down...Where the problem is...not that i was calling you a liar - i wouldnt do that. Sorry for the confusion. The facts were from the Washington Post and was taken from one of those large polling companies.
     
  5. agent-k

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    I started this thread so it's about time I contributed.
    I like America and Americans. Wouldn't mind moving there but it's the guns issue that keeps putting me off.
    And let's face it, if it wasn't for the U.S.A, we here in the U.K. would have been invaded long ago. You are carrying the biggest stick and as long as we've got you to back us up we can act all hard on the world's stage.
    Oh yeah, and Tony Blair's a nob.
     
  6. Deeman

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    99% of us would always back up the U.K. It's the issue of where is the friendship in return from western Europe? It seems like we bend over backwards to apease everyone when we don't even have to. I think it's a roots thing for me and England. My ancestors came from some place called New Bedfordshire or something like that about 300 years ago. Have always considered the brits cousins.
     
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    If I hadn't grown up in the States and had only the newspapers and Michael Moore to go by, I'd be worried too but the fact is that gun crime here in the States is sensationalized to a large degree and that a good portion of the gun-related deaths are criminals getting shot by criminals and suicides.

    I'm of English and German descent. My last name, Brown, was originally Braun but was changed a long time ago.
     
  8. Prisoner

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    You should all rent or get:
    Dark side of the Moon

    This a Mockumentary about space and moon landings and shows how easy it is to compine news headlines and interviews into a way that tells a very convincing story but is completely fake.

    Contexts in very important.
     
  9. Oriphus

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    You should read the thread on peoples views of America. America dont try to meet other peoples needs, America looks after number one and anything that relates to its prosperity.
     
  10. Deeman

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    Why should we be responsible for the rest of the world? We have 280 million people to worry about.
     
  11. Oriphus

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    Yeah, thats fine to worry about your own people. Thats what a nation should do. But sometimes America intervens where it is not wanted and thats why there is a lot of hatred towards them. I for one like America, despite what i say in the World Opinion thread. I holiday there quite regularly. But....alas, i do think they have brought us into a world of looking over ours shoulders a lot....
     
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    So the US intervenes in country "A" ... the citizens of country "A" dont like that... that makes sense.... but at the same time, citizens of coutnry "B", "C" and "D" start to not like the US either....... now that doesnt make much sense!

    :)
     
  13. Deeman

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    Don't blow up our buildings and you won't have to look over your sholder. If America goes too far for its own people we will put an end to it, we don't worry about back seat drivers.
     
  14. Prisoner

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    It funny to read an american versus a Canadian and a UKer.

    The problem is its taking too long for the people to rise up against the problems in the states. And early on, the ones that did were called unAmerican and were treatend with prison time. It was not a good time in the USA in 2002. I know as I was living there during that time. You really needed to watch what polical statements you made.

    About the film, I haven`t seen it yet and do plan on seeing it. But I know the Moore style, I am expecting his own twist on the facts. In a tv nation episode he made Disney world look like the Hilter SS. And talking to Cast members (staff) they love there jobs. Free rent, good food and really good pay. So you have to really question the `facts`.
     
  15. Deeman

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    Do you think that maybe people take too long to rise up because they don't see it as a problem? One persons problem may not be shared by others. Don't mean to be an ass(arse). Different strokes for different folks.
    I love you all man!!!!!!!
     
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    I know I'm really late on this, but I'm new. I just want to comment that I have seen Michael Moore's movie on gun control in America, Bowling for Columbine, and I was impressed. I was glad someone out there is expressing what I can not since I'm only 16. And since I am a female, my opinion isn't as valuable, but I would like a chance. Michael Moore may have his opinions like everyone else, but his documentaries are still full of facts that are kept from us. Our country is so blind to what's really going on because our very own one-sided media doesn't cover the whole truth. I haven't been able to see Fahrenheit 9/11 due to it's R-rating. The only reason it was rated R was the fact that it had war scenes in it. The funny thing is, they have the same content shown on our 6 o'clock news. The rating was to keep the younger audience from seeing it, which I don't understand. Anyway, back to Michael Moore. It seems that our country is evenly split with views on his work. Either people love him or hate him. I look up to Michael Moore and I feel he has made a difference in my life. I just wanted to show that not everyone in the United States hate him. He's my version of a true American hero.
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    just put yourself in front of the firing squad :p
     
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    I for one am not worried about the Canadian pple having guns, I have enough ammo to last a week (1,000 rds 9mm, 38 S&W, 50 cal Black powder, 22 rifile w/ 36 rd clips and 200 rds of 44mag spec.

    I've got my share of Canadians covered, Hey Neph, can you cover a section of border ?


     
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    Some people were. Do you realize that many of the scenes in the film were taken out of context and spliced together to further Moore's opinions?


    Your opinion counts just as much as any man, woman or the President of the United States for that matter. Don't ever believe otherwise.


    That's what he wants you to believe. There's ample evidence to the contrary. How much do you know about firearms laws, crime statistics and how they relate to the average gun owner in the U.S.? Ever considered the number of people who've defended themselves or others with a firearm? It happens hundreds of thousands of times a year. That's one of the many aspects of gun ownership that he conveniently left out.

    He painted the NRA as a bunch of rascist wacko extremists throughout the entire film. Over the years the NRA has poured millions of dollars into bettering law enforcement and passing tougher legislation against criminals who use firearms. How much has Mr. Moore done for law enforcement? Nothing. The NRA has also funded the Eddie Eagle program that teaches gradeschoolers firearms awareness. Among other things the kids are taught to not touch them and to get an adult if they find one. What's Moore done? Nothing.

    If Moore truly believed in his convictions how come he doesn't do anything? He's got plenty of money, notoriety and influence to be as proactive as he wants but he's not. He likes to sit on his butt and complain to anyone that'll listen. How many, as you put it, true American heroes were fat loudmouth complainers?


    I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm simply hoping to encourage you to not take things at face value. In order to truly understand an issue one must learn as much as they can about both sides of the argument :)
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  20. Prisoner

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    you should never think that way ever!! Only when you do are you opressed.

    will take a lot more than just you and Neph to stop me Pete!!!!

    But I thought you were a member Neph?

    thats what makes him a good left wing socialist, and people buy that right now in the hard right Bush era.

    I still haven't seen this movie yet, but why are we talking about his gun control movie? This I thought was anti Bush, and anti war. But will have to watch it to trully know.

    I am right wing, but I like Moore. He straightens me out a little and does make me think the other side.
     

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