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Discussion in 'DVDR' started by trotsky77, Jun 14, 2008.

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  1. trotsky77

    trotsky77 Regular member

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    Three things:

    1) It appears most DVDs will take a little over 2 hours each. I am glad I can batch these.

    2) I made the mistake of having working and output of all movies going into the same folder. I think everything is getting jumbled up now. What is an example of how someone separates out the working/output as well as the different vids when you batch them?

    3) DVD RB states Forrest Gump compresses 60% still and I did movie only. Is this surprising or maybe I am misunderstanding it. I was hoping the compression would be better like in the 90% range.
     
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    My Quad Core (Q6600, not overclocked) takes approx 45mins for main movie mode. Full disc ie an episodic disc or a concert dvd takes a bit longer.

    I still haven't got around to researching how batching is done within DVD-RB; however i do batch AVI conversions with ConvertXtoDVD, that's quite simple, i presume DVD-RB is equally simple.

    It's been awhile since i did Gump but 60% sounds about right. The beauty of DVD-RB is the resulting output from a 60% encode. I have recently done a fair few concerts & episodics in DVD-RB, as low as 49%, the output were mostly excellent. Dark scenes don't always come out perfect, there's apparently settings you can tweak for stuff like that but i've never bothered with that personally, i'm perfectly happy with DVD-RB on default settings.
     
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    ZosoIV stated earlier that, "I would say the backup using DVD Rebuilder will be 97% as good or higher as the store bought DVD". So I was a little caught off guard when I saw 60% for Gump. With that being said, if these programs produce working DVDs and if the loss in quality isn't really that noticeable, then I am better off going this route instead of DL.

    For batching I am starting over and trying the following.

    1) I created a folder on my desktop named Rebuild.

    2) Within there I made a folder for each of the 20 DVDs

    3) In each DVD folder I created a folder called "working"

    4) Obviously I target the working path to each respective working folder and the output to the respective DVD folder.

    If there is a less tedious way to do this, please let me know.

    I will have 20 DVDs to burn in about 40-48 hours.

    Do I even dare rip more DVDs while running DVD RB or will that interfere too much?
     
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    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    Just found this re Batch mode, snippet from here - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/97052/509264

    You can try ripping while DVD-RB is going, I have multiple SATA-II hard drives in my main pc, and when i'm ripping to a drive that DVD-RB is also working from, DVD-RB can be slowed down quite a bit; i usually try to rip to a different drive than the DVD-RB working folder (i have the working folder on the C: drive and the output folder on a completely different drive. (I must remember to move the working folder to a disk less busy than C:)
     
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    That is a good tip. I will rip to my external drive while DVD RB is in use.
     
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    Here is from one of the tutorials...

    (6) Repeat process for all files. (Note: Each Project File MUST have it's own unique Directory folder.)



    I still can't tell if I need a separate folder for the working and output paths or if it is safe to use the same folder as long as they are for the same disc.
     
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    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    'fraid you'll have to be the quinea pig :)
    ..i'm not at home so can't test batch mode myself just now.
     
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    trotsky77, what i mean is the finshed product(the backed up DVD) using DVD Rebuilder will be within 97% or better of the store bought DVD
     
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    OK, so the 60% is not really a number to worry about? Does 60% compressed mean it can still be 97% or better quality of the store bought DVD?

    Ugh, I am such a newbie at this stuff. LOL
     
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    Just do Forrest Gump and see what the result looks like :)
     
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    Yes that is correct!
     
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    To help me learn a little more about this stuff: if there is a video that is compressed to 60% and we say it will be around 97% quality using DVD RB, then what percent quality will it likely be if DVD Shrink was used instead? Will it also be 97% but just more of a chance of something going wrong, or would you expect less than 97%?

    I know I am way over analyzing but this is interesting to me.


    Thanks
     
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    i would say your percent would drop down to around 80% quality using dvd shrink
     
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    When it comes to video quality, programs like DVD Shrink (ie transcoders, as opposed to encoders such as DVD-RB) just can't compete, not in a million years :)

    ..in fact you can test this yourself with Forrest Gump as a perfect example, try running that movie thru Shrink and DVD-RB and compare the results, you'll be shocked. You could turn on the quality enhancements for Shrink, it'll take a lot longer and with marginally better results but for something aggressive like a 60% video compression, Shrink will be holding it's head in shame :)
     
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    OK, that is very helpful. When I compare my Shrink Forrest Gump to my RB Forrest Gump, I will likely see a significant difference. I also like numbers for when I explain this program to others.

    Thank you both of you for your great patience through all of this. I really appreciate this!
     
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    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    No problem, but to appreciate DVD-RB it's better that you try it to see the results first-hand; i personally only use DVD Shrink nowadays if there's 90%+ video compression ie i'd lose 10%, anything else goes into DVD-RB. In fact i very rarely use Shrink anymore, bless it.
     
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    It will be another 40 hours or so before my batch is done and then I will burn and watch some of the finished product. Even though this DVD project started off rough for the first few months, I am happy now. I am so glad I found your forum before I burned many more DVDs. I am pretty confident my issues will be resolved with the change in these programs.
     
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    Up until today I have burned only ISO images, so I have some questions about today. Each movie now has 2 folders; audio_ts and video_ts. The audio folders are empty. Is it supposed to be empty? In build mode, do I add to the source box the video AND audio folders or just the video folder?
     
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    the audio is in the video TS folder so you don't have to add or do anything but pick the video TS folder
     
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