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Good news blue-ray is going to win the war.

Discussion in 'Blu-ray players' started by mjp_80, Jan 17, 2007.

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  1. bhetrick

    bhetrick Active member

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    I've said this in another thread, but I'll repeat it here. The idea of a 50 gig disc is great, but not for gaming right now. Sony needed to spend a little more time on it. We're not going to see any benefits of that extra space if developers have to double and triple the files on a blu-ray disc just to get faster loading times.

    The problem is the blu-ray drive can't read fast enough. BobbyBlu is right, we can just delete the unused files from the hd if space becomes a problem.
     
  2. Domreis

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  3. Pop_Smith

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    I wouldn't be to sure, huge names including Microsoft are promoting HD DVD. Verbatim (They make one of the greatest quality burnable disks known, with only TY's beating them in my opinion.) has created both HD DVD-Rs and BD-Rs.

    Sony, may I remind you, created BetaMax. Like any other HUGE company, they have their noses high in the air. They didn't learn from the BetaMax mistakes.

    I just found an older article (January 2006) right here on Afterdawn that says "Porn company backs Blu-Ray". A large reason why VHS won was due to the fact that adult film users had to purchase VHS players to enjoy the adult films, which sold $14 billion worth from 2001 to 2006. Thats just under $3 billion per year.

    Well, an article published here on Afterdawn stated that "Joone...wanted to provide content on Blu-Ray" which is what was mentioned in January of 2006.

    "But...Sony had issued a warning to any company who produces pornographic material on a Blu-Ray disk would lose the Blu-Ray license."

    This means that Blu-Ray is the next Betamax. No adult films on Blu-Ray means that about $3 billion per year from content published exclusively on HD DVD, due to Sony disallowing the content on Blu-Ray, will be made by HD DVD supporting companies and give them a HUGE boost.

    Peace
     
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  4. Domreis

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    Urrg... I DID NOT POST THAT! YOU CAN BLAME MY YOUNGER STEP BROTHER! I don't want to get into the Blu-Rau thing right now sorry guys!

    Peace!
     
  5. mjp_80

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    Your brother is smart :)

    freaking perves want hd porn lol
     
  6. BobbyBlu

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    I don't even think porn in hd going to take off.I may be wrong but you have people still buying porn on VHS...lol People buy porn no matter which format its on.Because porn on HD-DVD & Blu-Ray i think is over hyped.

    Well well look what i found.I guess avs forum isn't creditable either.

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=790440&page=1&pp=30
     
  7. BurningAs

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    yeah one of the down fall of blu ray is the lack of blu ray porn. having the porn industry on your side is a huge plus. and i dont see why sony's is restircting porn on BD.

    and yeah it all depends on where your source is.
    In my opinon- too fast of a jump in techonogy is not good. this is what sony aways tries to do. dont know about you guys but ever heard of sony's superbit dvd or wat ever, suppose to be beter than dvds... dead in water. lol i only heard about this on the newss last week. UMD movies are dead. studios are backing out. Although right now there are more movcie studios exclusive to blu-ray, in the end it will be up tp the consumers. they see 2 HD players both offering 1080p one costs $400 and the other $1000, unless you are loaded and alwayts go for the most expenisve just to boost your self-esteem, most people will go for $400 player.

    and oh, im not against the ps3 i think it's great, but ti think this time around the blu-ray ruined sony's platform.

    i just hate to see sony go off the norm with what they think so so good, like their... atrac, umd... why not just suport the offical succssor to the dvd- HD dvd. instead of going off to your own little thing and tying to gain a buck. i wouldnt be suprised it sony lost, history does repeat its self, estpeically when one does the same dumbass thing over and over again.
     
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  8. BobbyBlu

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    UMD was a Sony only based format.That format was for PSP it wasn't competeing again anything so to say it fail is crazy.PSP still use UMD so how did it fail please tell me? Due to the fact PSP has been hacked like crazy has more to do with movies not being on UMD.

    As for Blu-Ray the reason it winning is because Toshiba has not did a good job of marketing HD-DVD.If you go into any BB or CC you will see this.Sony has pushed Blu-Ray very hard which really is a shocker to me because Sony like to sit back and let there product sell itself.If Toshiba market HD-DVD real hard it would kill Blu-Ray but they haven't they said that the price point was the seller but i haven't been.

    Why do people bring up Beta-max that was two decades ago alot has changed.That arguement has nothing to do with now.
     
  9. Auslander

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    no, it's a very similar time. a format war then is the same as a format war now. what you're saying is the equivalent of WWI being nothing like WWII.
     
  10. mjp_80

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    Nice posts BobbyBlu and nice find with that link.


    I really feel at the end blue ray is going to win. All my friends know of blu-ray and all think its the best. A few know of hd dvd and say blu-ray is better.
     
  11. Nephilim

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    I think the only war either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD are going to win will be against each other. Both formats are choked to death with DRM and too specialized to even come close to being the standard in the mass consumer market. They'll remain a niche market which is why I see all the passionate arguments as to which is "better" or which will "win" as kinda funny.

    Think I'm crazy? Look at DVD-Audio. It's clearly superior to standard CD's in every way but they require a specialized player and they're choked with DRM and therefore went nowhere. On paper you'd think DVD-Audio would've taken off but it didn't because people want freedom, low prices and convenience with their multimedia - factors Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can't meet which I think will doom them both in the long run as mass consumer products. Once the rush of all the high end home theater junkies buying they're Blu-Ray or HD-DVD players is over I think the demand is going to dry up considerably.
     
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  12. diabolos

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    DVD-Audio didn't go anywhere because the mainstream consumer doesn't care about audio. Plus there was also SACD (DSD) which complicated things. Don't forget the fact that most DVD players didn't support the DVD-Audio spec as well. Most of my customers played there DVD-Audio discs on DVD Video (only) players, heard the DD track and said CD sounds better (which it did). If they would have listened to it (the 192KHz/24-bit MLP-Lossless audio track) on a DVD Audio player then would have been floored. Especially if they had surround sound (Multi-Channel MLP-Lossless).

    Drunk Ced
     
  13. Nephilim

    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    Very true but I also think that the average consumer is happy enough with DVD quality that they won't feel the need to go through the expense and hassle of migrating to Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.

    Also true but we have two generally similar formats competing now much like DVD-Audio and SACD did and still do.

    The same is true of DVD players and Blu-Ray/HD-DVD.

    I like and completely agree with your statements - I'm just trying to point out that to me this HD video situation is probably going to follow a similar fate as the HD audio formats did. It seems to me that common busines sense dictates that for the mass market to accept and adopt a new format over a well established one it has to offer everything the consumer is used to and more. The only "more" the new formats offer is higher definition but they take away the nearly universal harware compatibility of DVD , the freedom to play your media just about anywhere on anything you want (taking some flicks to a friends house for example unless they also have a full HD video setup) as well as taking away the ability to transfer your legally purchased media to a video ipod, Zune, PSP or a dozen other portable media players. Also any format that decides to downgrade the quality or flat out won't play it because it doesn't like the equipment I have is a crock.
     
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    Your probably right Neph, the war might only be won only against the other format and not with consumers.

    The DVD format is widely accepted and is everywhere. Maybe eventually HD-DVD/Blu-Ray/another format not-yet-released will take over DVD but it will probably be quite a while due to the extremely wide usage of DVD. Not sure how anyone else feels on the subject but I like the ability to backup my DVDs. While the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray (due to them both using AACS) backup scene is getting started, its a long ways off from being where DVD backups are in terms of simplicity, the price of blank media and burners.

    Peace
     
  15. Chroma45

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    The better question is why do people care so much who wins? Does BobbyBlu work for Sony (I guess he can answer when the suspension is over)? Me personally, and many others I am sure, won't be buying either for at least 3 years because not only do I need a new player but I need a HD TV. These 2 are going to cost a lot and the HD TV will come first.
     
  16. Pop_Smith

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    Yup, I would have to buy a new HDTV to get the benefits of HD-DVD/Blu-Ray too. I have a TV from 2002 and it supports up to 1080i but doesn't have HDMI so, as far as I know, it won't work with either of the formats.
     
  17. eatsushi

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    You don't need HDMI. You can get the players to output 1080i thru component and get picture quality that's better than broadcast HD or upconverted DVD's.
     
  18. mjp_80

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    The reason I want blu-ray to win is the fact it's just better in that it holds more info. Gamers can put more on a blu-ray and make worlds we never have seen before.
     
  19. Auslander

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    all depends on the coding. it's not the space on the disc that sets a limit on data as much as it is the efficiency of the encoding.
     
  20. mjp_80

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    Yeah good coding is good but still you can put more of that better coding on a blu-ray then you can a hd dvd.
     
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