Intel P4 vs AMD

To All,

Well my new case will be here tomorrow. My thanks to tocool4u for the link. The door covers 5 large bays for DVD-Roms, DVD burner, CD-RW and 2 small ones for floppys. Should look bitchin when I get it done!


Happy Computering,

theonejrs

 

theonejrs, if you dont mind how wide and how tall is that case??

 

So the 7300GS is better than a 6800 Ultra?


The X800XT all in wonder is pretty much the top of the last series for serious video processing (rather than just gaming) cards. A tad expensive, but then all fast AGP cards are.

 

aabbccdd,

The case is 16" high, 8" wide by aprox. 18.5" deep.

theonejrs

 

Theonejrs
The XT is supposed to have an option or 2 on the Pro. I got the Pro for $100 less than I could find an XT, so lets hope everyone is getting something extra for that $100. I just couldn't bring myself to pay more for a graphics card than the CPU. LOL I ended up spending only a bit less. Here's a link to a few of the X850 boards with an AGP slot. http://stores.tomshardware.com/sear...eon+AGP&Search=Search&page_id=5&lo_p=0&hi_p=0

You can use the ATI link I posted and look at the specs on the cards. Some of the sites you find listed may have a good spec sheet as well.

 

I guess the high end of the X850 line would be something like the X850 XT Platinum. It runs about $420 (give or take) in the AGP slot version http://www.xpcgear.com/at2.html Look at the cooler on that baby. LOL In case I didn't mention it, the X850 Pro can often be found for about $250 for an OEM card.

 

Or you can give an X850XT standard a 5% overclock and save plenty of dollars, assuming your card isn't like mine that won't run OpenGL when overclocked, not a sausage.

 

With theonejrs interested in his system as a home entertainment PC, a gpu with a remote might be to his liking. The X800 XT All In Wonder has a remote. http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=3592857

 

As do pretty much all All-in-wonder cards, or if they don't they support the use of them. They're not compulsary buys, you could get a remote TV card or video capture card, but the AIW solution is a heck of a lot easier.

 

sammorris,

I hate to post dumb-assed questions, but how do you OC a video card???

theonejrs

 

I'm kinda bummed! I went to Hounds to write a review of the movie "Bicentenial Man" with Robin Williams but Hounds no longer seems to have any such thread anymore.

I know this thread is Intel P4 vs AMD, and I am doing this on a superior Intel (with a crappy video card), at least compared to stock! Since most of the people in this forum helped make my 3.0 a 3.6, I feel justified in asking here. What happened?

theonejrs

 

I don't get the justification. You need to PM the staff of that forum. Glad you're happy with a Prescott. Just think if you'd gotten a Northwood.

 

Just think of how happy you would have been if you'd gotten an AMD X2??? I guess I'm an AMD fanboy. (Can't wait for the AM2.. Just wish I was rich.) Oh and to answer a previously unanswered question. nVidia's numbering system is just like ATI's newest numbering system. The first number is the "series" and the second is the level of card in that series. I'm sorry to tell you this, but a GeForce 6600GT will DESTROY a GeForce 7300GS or something. 6800 will beat a 7600. ATI I guess liked the idea and now we have their (Thousand) series. Same type or marketing. But an X850XT will blow away a X1300, X1600.. etc. Until you are up to the same "level" of card, the "budget" cards in the newest system aren't as good as the high-end cards in the last series.

*weird timeing theonejrs... I hit post and my post was not last when it came to the forum screen. Weird. I must have clicked like 5 seconds before you.

 

Brobear,

You are right on all counts! I don't know if you can get 20% out of a 3.0 Northwood but It would have run cooler. The justification was my way of an apology for asking a non technical question in a tehnical thread. I just wasn't sure if I would get any answer if I posted it there. Since I know most of the members hang here, I posted it here.

theonejrs

 

Theonejrs,

I liked Bicentenial Man, and a review under movie discussions at the hounds would be the place. Science fiction section.

 

I don't think there was much of a difference really.
ATI started the older numbering system (7000 cheap, 7500 good, 8000 cheap, 8500 good, 9000 cheap, 9500 good) and nvidia followed a bit later (4200 cheap, 4600 good, 5200 cheap, 5600 good)
ATI stuck to the new system first too.
9200 (later upped to X300), X1300 Budget (nvidia 6200, 7300)
9600, X600, X1600 Mid-range (nvidia 6600, 7600)
9700, X700, X1700 Mid-High range (um....)
9800, X800, X1800 High-range (nVidia 6800, 7800)
X850, X1900 Top (nvidia 7900)
But nvidia's FX series went all over the place.
FX5200 (standard and two ultra versions)
FX5500
FX5600 (standard and ultra)
FX5700 (standard and ultra)
FX5750 (PCI express)
FX5800 (standard and ultra)
FX5900 (XT, standard and ultra)
FX5950 (ultra)
And IMO, ATI whipped the ass of each and every one of them.
nVidia have come on leaps and bounds since the FX series and have been stealing jewles from ATI's crown ever since the 6800 arrived.

 

Hey guys sorry last question. Reading up no fine tuning and stuff I came across a program, Nvidia NTune. Is it any good for me? Should I run it and trust it not to mess up my computer?

AMD 64 3700+
Asus a8n-sli
Geforce 6600 GT

I'm hoping it'll fine tune and OC my Graphics Card, what do you think?

 

I've heard good things about nTune, but I'd be a bit wary of any program that does the same job you can do better yourself.

 

Byron02 & sammorris,

Hell, they all play the numbers game. That doesn't mean it makes sense! I mean an X1600 is a much poorer video card than any X800 or X850, so why the higher number.

Sammorris,

No the 7300GS is a low end 7 series while the 6800 Ultra is a high end 6 series. To me it would just make more sense to raise the numbers to corespond with the graphics power of any given card. Then you would know what the hell you are looking at. Making heads or tails out of either of their numbering systems leaves a lot to be desired. I think it's all a marketing gimic to try and confuse you.

I mean the ATI All-In-Wonder X800 XT 100-714200 Radeon X800XT 256MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card is $299 while the ATI 100-435058 Radeon 9800PRO 256MB DDR AGP 2X/4X MAC Edition Video Card is junk compared to it at $229. The ATI 100-435601 Radeon X850XT PE 256MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card is $409, over $100 more. what makes it even worse is that when you go to the manufacturer's web sites they all seem to toute every card as state of the art and the fastest. They all need to revise their on-line info as older models are superceded by newer and faster cards. It's like they put the original press release on their website and just leave it forever. It never changes unless they discontinue it. Both nVidia and ATi are guilty of that! Frankly they don't give a rat's a** as long as you buy their card. I will say one thing about nVidia. They were the only ones to respond to my question about 1680x1050 capabilities of my FX5200 card. They sent me an e-mail the next day. ATi has never bothered to respond!

Happy Computering,

theonejrs

 

I will grant you the bad tech support from ATI, it's often best to ask some of the partners like sapphire or gigabyte.
In the same way the 7300 is slower than the 6800, the X1600 is slower than the X800 (though not by a great deal)
The numbers do make sense
The FX5/6/7 or 8/9/X/X1 prefix shows the generation
the next number means the model number.
Just consider "will a new generation 6 series be better than an old 8 series?" If you're not sure, look at benchmarks!