Intel P4 vs AMD

Good deal, I learn something new every day here. Apparently Intel is known for making chips that're more or less heaters. What's the price comparison between and AMD Opteron and the D805?

 

I just happened to be looking at that on Newegg, and the AMD Opteron 175 Denmark is $540, the D805 is $128.

HTH,

Rich

 

What you need to realize is that both AMD and Intel have built hot processors as well as cool running ones. Also, these processors wouldn't be released for mass marketing if they couldn't be adequately cooled under normal circumstances. OC(ing) to the max isn't considered normal. Hot Intels just goes for some models. Push an AMD and it's going to heat up as well. Just depends on how far the CPU is pushed. The recent batch of 90nm processors (think Prescott, Smithfield and the lot) ran hotter than most when pushed. Some of the older Intel processors, such as the Gallatin and Northwood run exceptionally cool. Intel is also doing well with the mobile processors and with the newer processors may get some of the heat problems under control. AMD has had some hot processors in the past. So heaters aren't anything new to either company.

 

@brobear
my system now is a HP pavillion a1101n

i want this for my build
Intel Pentium D 805 2.66GHz / 2MB Cache / 533 FSB / Socket 775 / Dual-Core / Processor with Fan($149)
MOBO=Asus P5WD2 Intel Socket 775 ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / Gigabit LAN / USB 2.0 / Serial ATA / RAID($179)
or this one
Asus P5WD2-P Intel 955 Socket 775 ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / Gigabit LAN / USB 2.0 & Firewire / Serial ATA / RAID($209)

Mem=Corsair TWINX Dual Channel 2048MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory (2 x 1024MB ($139)
Corsair TWINX 1024MB PC5400 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 Memory (2 x 512MB)
HD=Seagate Barracuda 300GB / 7200 / 16MB / ATA-100 / EIDE / Retail / Hard Drive($159)
and a home for it all
Ultra Blue Aluminus ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Firewire and Audio Ports With Ultra X2 550-Watt Power Supply($129)
wow $1000 wife gonna kill me

 

The multiplier on the D805 is 20x.
Something around 166FSB should then give ~3.33Ghz, a healthy overclock.
~200FSB touches the magic 4GHz (!) and I believe this is the practical maximum. Tom kept going (and recommended liquid cooling) but the D805 did keep going strong, however more than 200FSB (800QDR) is very... what's the word, GREEDY :^)
Most people should probably clock 200FSB, run/post their benchmarks etc, then throttle-back to 3.33GHz for 'everyday use'.
This is D840/D850 territory - not bad for $130 bucks.
The thing should run forever at 3.33GHz, stable cool and reliable.
Just my $.02!
Anyone buy one yet?
Hey, lots of AM2 CPUs at my distributor, but no mobo's so far... anyone find AM2 mobo's yet?
L8R

 

cincyrob

Well, if you notice the P5WD2 board uses DDR2 800 RAM which is 240 pin. DDR is 184 pin. So, you may as well pick up a matched set of the DDR2 800 2x1GB XMS Corsair. 2x512MB is cheaper, but I prefer having more available reserve RAM. Once XP gets loaded up and you have background apps such as antivirus software running, you'll appreciate having the extra reserve. You can get cheaper, but to get the best out of tweaking you need the performance RAM.

 

Of course a 50% overclocked D805 uses about 80W more than an Athlon X2 though, so if the PC is used at high usage for 3 hours a day and normal for 21 hours a day (you know, those people who leave their PCs on all day), that works out at about 3 hours a day where it uses 80W more than an X2, 21 hours where it will probably use about 20W more (since Intel doesn't have CnQ, 4Ghz is a lot to run all day, even at idle). You're looking at 660Wh per day, but since both PSUs and Mobos are only about 80% efficient that gets bumped up to about 1Kwh per day, or 10p where I live I think. 10p a day for 3 years say, before it gets upgraded comes to about £110, or 40% more than the cost of the processor itself. That's a lot of electricity to waste when there's a looming energy crisis.

 

sytyguy,

What's up with the Opteron price? I just looked at Newegg and it's still $504! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103584
Or is that the price with tax and shipping?

theonejrs

 

Cincyrob

You've decided on the Intel D805 as the CPU choice. The PW5D2 boards come in different flavors. Do you want or need the 2 PCI Express x16 slots for the ATI Crossfire graghics setup (PW5D2-E Premium, $226.99). There's other advantages to the E-Premium, you need to look over the extra bells and whistles compared to the other versions. You may need only a single PCI Express x16 slot (PW5D2 Premium, $191.99). Check the other differences as well. Pay attention to the difference in PATA and SATA connections according to your needs (The E-Premium has more SATA than the regular board). If it was me, I'd spend the extra $35 and get the E-Premium. On the drives, you can go SATA on some of those, that's the newer technology. If you really need to save the bucks, the regular PW5D2 can be had for $159.99 ($67 less than the E-Premium). Not really that much difference.

ZipZoomfly has good prices on the boards and free shipping. They're also about $15 cheaper on the Zalman 9500. They have the best price on the CPU as well. Besides the good pricing, the free shipping saves a lot. I'd get all these from ZipZoomfly unless you can find better.

Sammorris
At 4GHz, the CPU idling isn't going to pull very much power. If worried about energy savings turn it off when not in use. Don't watch the telly, walk everywhere you go, eat raw food, only bathe in cold water or don't bathe because energy had to be used somewhere to get the water to you, and make candles for your lights (they waste too much energy making them commercially). Live in a cave, saves all kinds of energy over building structures.

 

theonejrs,

You are correct, I transposed the numbers, sorry.

Rich

 

Lol I'm no environmentalist, I just thought I'd put into perspective how much power each intel chip wastes. Surely there's a saving from Cool and Quiet or else they wouldn't do it. With a 4Ghz core, I know it's at idle, but considering AMD drop from 1.8/2/2.2/2.4Ghz to just 1.0, there must be some gain in that. However, a long games session using 300W mains draw rather than 170 with the X2 (This assumes even power draw increase with CPU speed up, I know it's not quite true, but it's near enough with the extra heat from everything else), then for a 4 hour gaming session, that's 520Wh, enough energy wasted to light a standard room for nearly 9 hours, twice the length of the aforementioned games session. If these happen regularly, that's a lot of energy wasted considering quite a few people have these CPUs. Even if people don't game, few have Dual cores for nothing, so they'll be media encoding and such on a regular basis. I'm not bothered about it because I've no interest in obtaining one, just making a point!

 

Sophocles & Brobear,

I've been looking for a decent Asus MB for an Intel D940 3.2GHz. I want something that will use my present memory (DDR400) with either an AGP slot or onboard video. I've found a couple but you guys seem to know more about motherboards than I do.

I looked at the P5P800-VM. This appears to be a socket 775 version of my present P4P800SE MB. I also looked at the PSRD1-VM, which has on board video and a PCIe x16 slot. It doesn't support Dual-channel for the memory. The memory seems to be the problem as there are very few Mbs for the Pentium D that support DDR400. I'm leaning towards the P5P800-VM as a way to get myself a decent performing Dual-Core using the D940 CPU. $325.98 for the CPU & MB gets me just that. I know, I can get the D805 and the MB for $181.98 but after reading about the 900 series at Tom's Hardware I don't think I can do better than the D940 3.2GHz for the price. The D950 is nice too, but it costs about $100 more! Down the road I can get a better MB, DDR2 memory and PCIe video. For now this should do just fine.

I know, I wanted to build an Opteron 175 but that would run me about twice as much money, and I can't really afford to do it right now. Hey, a 3.2 Dual Core & MB for $325.98 seems to be pretty good bang for the buck! It's not an AMD but I do have the cooler (and socket 775 mounts) to tame it! Let me know what your thoughts are.

Sincerely,
theonejrs

 

There used to be an Intel board that supported both AGP and PCI express simultaneously, but newegg seem to have stopped selling it, only the 754 and 939 versions are available now. Failing that, maybe the Asus P5P800 SE, but that has some dodgy reviews...

 

Cincyrob

Here's some items to think about. This is more or less my wish list for a D805 build, with the exception of the blue midtower case. My preference is black.

Intel Pentium® D Processor 805 2.66GHz, 533MHz FSB, Socket 775, 2MB Cache, Dual Core Retail ***Free Shipping*** (The important Core Stepping is listed as BO.)
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80849&affiliate=pricegrabber
$125.90

Asus P5WD2-E Premium 975X P4/Celeron 1066FSB LGA775 DDR2 ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Dual Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA Retail ***Free Shipping***
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=247059&affiliate=pricegrabber
$226.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835100007
$5.99 + $4.99 S&H ($10.98)

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145590
$260.00

Zalman CNPS9500 LED CPU Cooler Retail ***Free Shipping***
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=373500&affiliate=pricegrabber
$54.99

Ultra Blue Aluminus ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Firewire and Audio Ports With Ultra X2 550-Watt Power Supply
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...082&SRCCODE=PRICEGRABBER&CMP=OTC-PRICEGRABBER
$129.99 + $13.85 S&H ($143.84)


Another blue case, but with enough fans to help cool things down. I prefer my full tower but the mid tower is a preferable size for some.
Thermaltake V7000D Blue XaserV WinGo Computer Case
http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1311803&cmp=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r
$75.99 +$5.00 S&H (80.99)
Check Newegg for pictures and specs, with S&H Newegg is $10 higher.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133131&ATT=11-133-131&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

Sunbeam NUUO SUNNU550-US-SV ATX12V/ EPS12V 550W Power Supply 100-120V CE, UL (CUL), TUV, CB, FCC, FIMKO, SEMKO, DEMKO, NEMKO -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817709003&ATT=17-709-003&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r
$83.50 + $6.99 S&H ($90.49)

That's $27.64 more for the Thermaltake case and Sunbeam PSU. That is a small price I'd gladly add for the extra ventilation, something to think about when OC(ing).

My selections come to $850.34. That leaves the video card, optical drive(s), and hard drive(s)

 

Hmm, quite funny that the mobo costs twice as much as the CPU! That'd be around £550 worth in the UK, which is the price of the average 'intermediate' PC system. Since that's minus a GPU and HDDs, the total could be quite a chunk.

 

Sammorris
It won't take that much to finish it off. Just think, a person can get a Dell for about $489 (already assembled), but it's not quite the same.

Cincyrob

I took a look at the rest of the build and keeping the parts upscale, the price isn't too bad. Here goes:

SAPPHIRE 100106L Radeon X850XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102688&ATT=14-102-688&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r
$159.00 + $4.65 S&H (163.65) No VIVO, but look at the price.

WD WD3000JD 300GB SATA HD 5.2MS 8MB 7200RPM
http://www.a2zcomp.com/buy.asp?REF=12&SKU=89056A
$105.00 + $6.58 S&H ($111.58)

PLEXTOR Beige 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 6X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 4X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 8M Cache SATA 16X DVD±R DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827131351&ATT=27-131-351&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r
$99.99 + $4.89 S&H ($108.88)

MITSUMI Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal USB 2.0 digital card reader with Floppy Drive Model FA404M BLK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821104104&ATT=21-104-104&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r
$19.99 + $4.89 S&H ($24.88)

Thermaltake 18" Floppy Driver Blue Round Cable Model A2082
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812183005
$3.99 + $4.99 S&H ($8.98)

That's $317.97 on top of the $850.34 for a grand total of $1168.31. That would give you a high end PC that you can easily update later. Add another mobo and CPU later and you have a different PC. You could even switch over to an AMD if you become unhappy with your Intel, or change to one of the other socket 775 processors on your P5WD2 board. You could go on the cheap and cut the cost by a few hundred bucks, but you might not be as happy with the results.

 

Gremlin

 

And that'll be a fine machine too for the price!

 

---Brobear--- i decided again to upgrade, that fan from a 7000 to the 7700 as per your recommendation, I had thought about it originally for my last upgrade, when I got the 7000, but the backing plate steered me away for I wasnt ripping up the mobo too (shouldn't be a problem with mobo out of the box)
---CincyRob--- Your build makes me feel OK about spending the cash on the parts I've been throwing together the last few days (pages of this thread). I've been wavering because I need a new door on my garage, but I did set aside enough money from Uncle Sam, earmarked for play, to take care of 95% of the cost. If you take the plunge I'll be drowning right behind you...

 

Deadrum33
Actually if I was building the system you are with its OC possibilities, I think I'd go with the 9500 if it fits. ZipZoomfly has a good price on it with free shipping. The link is in the parts for Cincyrob's build.

Then again, if your case doesn't have a lot of fans, the 7700 design is good for sending extra flow across the chipset and the cooler on your board.