Intel vs. AMD

Hmm, I wonder how it'll appear on my system... As I say, when I install it I'll report my findings...

 

Until then somebody put this thread back on track before we get yelled at

 

It's been worse...

 

sam,

LOL!!!

 

DDP
I see you have the celeron d. is that 478 socket?
A friend of mine has a e-machine that the mobo has died. If you are anyone else here knows where to get a mobo for the celeron 478
ddr2100 I would appriciate it.

 

Not familiar with the emachines,but this one may be ok(micro atx).
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=P4M80-M4&cat=MBB

 

Just saw this @ the same site!!
!!!!!!!ROFL!!!!!!!!
Any guys new to building their own PC's,take note of things like this.
Don't be fooled by these cheap power supplies.They will cause you grief,time and money.Notice in the notes it states,"This power supply has no regulatory approvals".
That should sound alarm bells straight away.
They also have the 550 watt(cough,choke) for an extra $2!!What a bargain!!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!

 

Ugh, nice fan heater, not much use in a PC though...

 

ddp
It is a e-machine.model t-2848. I found the site to get a replacement mobo but htey want 149.00 us. I was thinking deep six the case and mobo and find a good board to put everything back together again.
(google emachines and find mobo replacement for that model) I was going to put a clean copy of xp using her oem number instead of e-machine restore. Which wouldn't work anyway with the new mobo.
Then actually it would run better without all the crap that comes on a shelf or store bought computer. Itis 478 mobo, ddr2100, onboard vid and the same chip you have which i beliave is a 400 fsb. Correct me if I am wrong. Unit is in schoolcraft, Mi. (10 mile south of kalamazoo, Mi.

 

Hi to all of you that have already been using this forum.
I'm new here, but have already been using PCs for some years, but now want to start building a system for the first time.

That said, I want to know which CPU I should buy for a PC that will mainly be used for video encoding, but also some games as well as having several major applications open at the same time, such as adobe photoshop pro, and office applications.

I don't want to waste time buying something that won't be able to be upgraded well in the future, as I want to keep the system at least 2-3 years.

I'd appreciate any input from people that may have used both AMD and Intel, to get a feel of how they compare in the real world, as I've read plenty of independant reviews, but want some factual reviews from users.

Cost wise, I'm looking at spending about £1000 on the system (without peripherals) so expect to have about £200 just for the CPU.
I don't need suggestions on any of the other parts except maybe the mobo.
Please can you give reasoning behind any suggestions so I can fully appreciate why something is being suggested to me.

I've never overclocked to any degree before, as my systems have never allowed it, but that is something I'd like as an option as well, as it should keep my system more cutting edge for longer, so any experience with overclocking would also be appreciated from you, such as likely gains in speed and the increases in performance seen in real applications.

Sorry for the extra long intro and question, but I thought it best to say a proper hello and to make sure people understand fully what it is that I'm actually looking for.

 

tgsbfadc,

Like the guy in Appolo 13 said, what do you have that's good, that you can use? If you have to start from scratch then think Conroe! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115004 on a Gigabyte http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012 MB all the way. If you are planing to upgrade and use some of your old stuff then think AMD 64x2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103751 on a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131022 MB ! There's good deals to be had both ways. The links I've provided are just general, just to give you an idea. Your funds will dictate what you can actually do. There's more expensive and there's cheaper, but either way you should be able to put something together that performs well for the dollars you have! You can't go wrong with any of the above as it's all mid-priced quality componants!

You are going to find folks here that are partial to certain brands of just about everything, usually dictated by what they have. As long as you buy good parts to begin with, you should be able to build a very nice system. I just went by what you said you wanted and posted the links to help you see what some good stuff is! There's a lot of good choices out there and some especially good deals to be had. You said that you wanted stuff that you could upgrade more down the line so I stuck with socket 775 for the Intels and socket AM2 for the AMDs. They should be the best choice right now for "Future Proofing"

Happy Computering,
theone

 

I have a Sony SDM 81 LCD monitor, which is fine, and an Good wireless keyboard and mouse.
I've also got a Plextor DVD writer which I will re-use, and a DVD rom drive.
Basically I'm looking at a case, psu, board, CPU, memory and graphics card.
£200 for CPU
£100 case
£200 memory
£250 Graphics
£150 motherboard
£100 PSU
Obviously these prices are subject to what I get each part for, so there may be more money for one thing if something ends up cheaper, or visa versa
But thats where I see the £1K budget being spent.

 

tgsbfadc,
As far as your power supply budget goes,if you can save 50.00 pounds elsewhere in your build get this:
http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=6690&category_id=263&manufacturer_id=0

Guaranteed future proof!!

 

If you're looking at spending £200 on the CPU alone, get a Core 2 Duo E6600, they're powerful things. No socket really has enough lifetime any more to make a worthwhile upgrade later on it seems, but with an E6600 it should be a fair while before you need to upgrade, and if you go for quality parts, you can overclock them like nuts.

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/112706 E6600 £210
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/113951 Asus P5W DH Deluxe £146.75 (one of the best Core 2 overclocking boards ever!)
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/115844 2GB XMS2 Low latency £215.66
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/X1900_Series.html - on this page, ICEQ3 X1900GT 256MB priced at £150.39
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/117543 NEC DVD RW Drive £21.90
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98199 LG DVD-ROM £10.72
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/62047 Floppy disk drive £3.82 - never know when you need one!
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/109552 Hiper 580W Type-M PSU £52.82
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98938 Audigy SE £15.06
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Zalman_CPU_Coolers.html - on this page CNPS9500AT - £35.24
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Thermal_Materials.html - on this page Arctic Silver V - £7.05
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Samsung_SATA.html - Samsung Spinpoint 250GB on this page at £52.86
Case is pretty much up to you, but I'd recommend buying something above the "extra value" range, chances are they won't look so good in a year's time!
My suggestion is this http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119136 the NZXT Apollo at £49.99 but it's up to you.
Total cost of that lot is £905 without case or delivery, you can have the NZXT Apollo and the total build cost be about £975.
My preferred case, The NZXT Lexa is here http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=345209 for a total (with delivery) of about £95. A lot, but If you want looks to match your system's performance, I recommend it!
I've tried to make sure that the components in that PC, while powerful, won't annoy you with noise like many powerPCs do, the Hiper PSUs are known to be quite quiet, Zalman CPU coolers aren't too loud, the HIS versions of ATI graphics cards are practically silent, and the case fans of the Lexa pretty much are silent. (inaudble when on their own from >5cm). Samsung Hard disks are also the quietest in their class.

 

do you people think going to all this effort to get all the parts and build a pc and then it doesnt work is worth all the bother for just saving a few quid? when i say a few quid i mean like £200 but you still get your pc ports and all that in the right place etc etc
plus dont u get it replaced if it goes faulty from a reputable manufacture such as hp

 

Yes, yes I do. A Dell/HP system typically costs at least 40% more than it costs to build it yourself, for high end systems like this more like 60%. Alienware systems sometimes 200%. Would you waste an extra thousand quid just to save an hour's work?
PCs are designed to be relatively idiot-proof to build. Unless you just pounce in without reading up at all, you usually come off alright. If you are paranoid about building your own system, you can use http://www.aria.co.uk 's building service, which costs something like a flat £70 on top of your build, which for a system of that cost is pretty OK. Trouble is, all your components then have to come from Aria, and not all those do. Seriously though, if you've got a little time to spare, it's much more rewarding and cost-effective to build your own, then you can customise it the way you want it!

 

Thanks Creaky for the suggestion.
I think that I'll go with the Hiper HPU-4S730 OmniGrid II Quad SLi 730W Modular ATX2.2 PSU.
I can get that for right on budget, it wil o 730w as standrd and has an upper limit of 780 w if pushed.
I also like the modular design, so I can leave things out if I don't need them.

I jsut realised that I forgot to allow for any hard drives, so I will need some budget for that.

As for buying a system from someone like HP, no thanks, thats not an option, I want something to allow me to keep parts when I change system and will perform better than the batch produced products companies such as HP roll out.

I have enough technical experience to work with all the parts, its just knowing which parts to buy and why that is what is required.

It looks as though the Intel 6600 CPU is the one to go for at my budget, but It would be useful to get some feedback on how it performs at stock and when overclocked.

Sammorris, thanks for your list and feedback.
As said, I will be using my DVD burner and rom from my present machine, I added those myself so there not that old and work perfectly well.
If you have any experience with getting these systems overclocked it would be great, as it sounds like that sort of system is perfect, but I wouldn't know where to start if trying to overclock to any degree, so would need some help from you guys if you don't mind.
I'd be okay using some of the onboard tools that come with the machines, but have heard that to really overclock them you need to do it manually.
I would like to hear if there are any issues known with that board if anyone is using it, as you can't beat hands on experience, and no one I know has that sort of PC, mainly laptops and ex-office machines etc etc....
Also if anyone has an alternative motherboard to look at and reasons to use it, that would be fantastic, as it would be nice to have alternatives to choose from just in case there are any issues.

I appreciate all the input you guys are giving me considering I'm new here, and don't have much to offer back at present.

 

XMS2 RAM, a P5WDH, a high output PSU like that hiper, a zalman cooler and some arctic silver and you can't fail to pull an extreme overclock. Systems wit those components are typically reaching 3.4-3.6Ghz...

 

How would I go about it?