Intel vs. AMD

Crowy,
I'm rooting for AMD to pull through and offer something competitive. You mentioned the test boards and samples that Intel used to whet consumers' appetites last year, AMD isn't even doing that yet (that I'm aware of). So far it's just been interviews and presentations without the goods. I thought Intel could win with C2D and I suspect AMD may still have a bit of life, if they get off their duff. They got caught flat footed and are paying the price.

I noticed K8Ls won't be as price friendly as C2Ds. So far the K8L is slated for servers and highend PCs. They may not even be affordable for the average user or custom builder. Best bang for the buck means just that. If the average user can't afford it, what good is it except for business and other highend users? If the K8L is priced like the XTREME Intels, C2D will still rule the market.

 

aabccdd---
Why a new processor? The Opty 175 we both shared for a while is running strong OC'd to 2.6 for me. Who needs new parts when you can milk extra life out of them

 

PacMan777,

I'm sure there will be "budget" cores and also an "FX" core based on the Barcelona chip.The price will as usual reflect accordingly.
Who knows.....an FX125 with unlocked multipliers????

 

crowy,

That would get me drooling!

theone

 

Crowy

I was just going by the article you presented and others I've seen. I guess there may be a trickle down effect, like the X series Intels. How long will that take though? So far the lowest planned application for the K8L is for highend PCs.

An affordable FX 125... I guess all of us can dream.

I wish AMD would go ahead and get it out instead of just talking a good game. I'm as anxious as the rest to see what they've got.

"Love them Intels and AMD is just trying to perpetrate a hoax to damage Intel sales..." "They couldn't be that good..." "They could only make a few and they're not selling them to the public..."

Edit: Couldn't resist. Last year the comments were against Intel and now AMD gets to carry a similar load. LOL

 

PacMan777,
All good things come to those that wait!!
My "old" x2 3800 is still serving me well and I've tortured it a fair bit.I'm still happy with what I have and I can be patient enough to see what AMD can offer.I'm sure by the end of this year things will really be interesting!!

 

theone,

Me too!

 

Crowy
Glad to see AMD has some diehard fans.

It wouldn't be much of an upgrade for my purposes to go from a 2.8GHz AMD dual core to a C2D. There's a noticable difference in bench scores, but for most purposes the upgrade wouldn't be worth the additional cost. I'm not planning another personal build for a year or 2 unless something ridiculously good comes along at a low cost. I've already accumulated too many personal systems.

 

I guess that's what the Intel fanboys were saying last year. LOL

 

Just "Pondering".
Think about this for a moment...
Today's cpu's are full of tiny transistors.
Before their invention we had valves.
Before their invention we had the abacus (There were a few mechanical computers in between that somewhere!)So when we see a replacement for the transistor things will really hot up!!!

 

I catch your drift and much of what we have today is scifi from a historical perspective. But... you have one on me, what valves are you referring to? My history is a bit bad, I don't remember what computing or calculating devices used valves.

 

PacMan777,

Computers using Valves
In a way, it is surprising that it took so long for the electronic computer to arrive The triode valve had been invented in 1906 by Lee de Forest, and in 1919 Eccles and Jordan had devised a circuit which allowed a pair of these valves to act as a bistable flip-flop. The first electronic, as opposed to electro mechanical, computer was designed and built by John Mauchly and I. Presper Eckert of the Moore School of Electrical Engineering at the University of Pennsylvania, Eckert being particularly responsible for the design of a ring counter. It was actually made for the US Government, and was completed in 1946, only 2 years after Aiken's. This new computer of Mauchly and Eckert was called ENIAC, standing for Electronic Numeric Integrator and Calculator. It was also a vast machine, 100 feet long, consuming 100kW of power and contain ing 18,000 valves!

100kw of power!!!!!!That would blow the budget!!ROFL!!!
And the wiring in the house!!!!!!!!!Double ROFL!!!!!!!!


http://www.geocities.com/Omegaman_UK/maplin1.html

 

Imagine Afterdawn 300 years ago???

Forum Intel V Amd................

Crowy
senior member.......

Here's my new rig!!!

 

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i was able to sell the Opteron 175 for 200 bucks so i figured it was worth the upgrade for 150 dollars to the Opteron 185 plus i can def tell a difference between the two chips.i did all this several months ago anyway

 

With my limited knowledge of BIOS and OCing, I've peaked at 2.6 where I think you are starting so it makes sense to upgrade, especially with Intel running away with things.
You think I could get mine sold for $200???
I still have the fan that came with it...

 

yeah maybe, the trick is to fine the right buyer of course . putting it on e-bay your probably going to get maybe 150.00 at best.

i OC(ed) my Opteron 185 to 3.00 GHz with no problems and the temps are fine

 

LOL Thanks for the history refresher. But it was the use of the word "valve" by itself that threw me. I'm familiar with the triode valve or "vacuum tube" as it's often called when talking about the old radio and computer equipment.

Mauchly and Eckert's accomplishments were highlights in the old vacuum tube era, but
they weren't the first

or the largest
The SAGE aircraft-warning system was the largest vacuum tube computer system ever built. It began in 1954 at MIT's Lincoln Lab with funding from the Air Force. The first of 23 Direction Centers went online in Nov. 1956, and the last in 1962. Each Center had two 55,000-tube computers built by IBM, MIT, AND Bell Labs. The 275-ton computers known as "Clyde" were based on Jay Forrester's Whirlwind I and had magnetic core memory, magnetic drum and magnetic tape storage. The Centers were connected by an early network, and pioneered development of the modem and graphics display.

Can you imagine the power consumption and the cooling system it took to keep all those tubes cooled? They sure didn't have to worry about getting cold in the winter. Prescotts had nothing on those old "heaters".

For anyone interested, here's a link to evolutionary highlights of computers:
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/recording/computer1.html

That's scifi for you. The computing power it took a building to house about 50 years ago can now be carried around in our pocket. What was a well guarded government installation is now outclassed by the calculator in a schoolboy's kit. What I find interesting is both the tube type and transistor type computers came from radio technology.

 

And the "birthplace of radio" is supposedly 15 miles from where I live. Don't I feel humbled...

 

@pacman- the ENIAC was the first successful computer that was built; zuse came close but funding was cut by hitler after he thought that they would win the war without computers.

 

sukhvail
ENIAC was the first capable of being reprogrammed to solve a full range of computing problems, but not the first successful computer. Limited function computers such as the Colossus (UK) were successful. Colossus was an early binary electronic digital computer used by the British during World War II for decryption of encoded German messages. Wonder how the British felt when they read Hitler was discontinuing computer funding? Don't know if that ever happened, but an interesting thought. Colossus was so successful there were 10 built by the end of the war.

Sammorriss,
There's a first for you. The first computer decryption. Now doing backups will engender thoughts of spys and international intrigue. That reminds me, you guys had Bond and now Casino Royale is causing encryption havoc. LOL