Intel vs. AMD

i defrag a couple times a week being iam ripping/burning alot of dvds this is a must

 

Yeah I may overcome my phobia soon enough. I'll be looking to keep every ounce of performance with my new setup.

 

Yeah, I defrag all three of my computers at least twice a month. All three being my Northwood Celeron 2.4GHz, my Sempron 3100+ @ 2.4GHz and my X2 3800+ @ 2.4GHz.(it's my magic number^_^)

I've never had a data loss ever on any of my machines. Sometimes things like that just happen.

I don't worry about the Celeron though. I let my mom have it and she always manages to screw it up. Then she complains to me and says I wrecked it from using it before and then won't even let me see whats wrong(who else here has parents like that?)

Anyhoo, iTunes? More like Limewire lol*looks cautiously over his shoulder for forum mods* I find it a waste to pay for music as I download and listen and if I don't like the song anymore it goes.

Besides, does iTunes have all the original FFVII MIDIs we all love? I think not!(I am a nerd, yes)

 

Lol, I think you're a nerd if you have FFVII midis for ringtones. That's cool though, RPG/anime fiend myself. I've never had any issues when defragging, though I've never noticed a great performance increase either.

 

Estuansis

Are you serious? You are comparing a oc'd AMD to a stock Intel.?
The stock conroe has out benched the fx-62 am2.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32354

 

I was wondering that myself.I wonder how good the conroes will overclock?

 

Estuansis,

The big problem with Limewire is that there are a lot of jerks there that like to put viruses in with the files and it usually doesn't show up until right at the end of the download. I've e-mailed Limewire several times to report this and the offender but, I don't think they care as they have never responded. I rarely ever go there anymore as it's not worth the hassle and the same jerks are still there. I sure wouldn't waste my money on Limewire Pro. Maybe Limewire has some hidden agenda where this situation aids them in selling Pro. Whatever the problem is, they don't seem to want to do anything about it!

Most times I use Aires. At first it didn't seem that they offered as good a selection of tunes as Limewire but what good are songs that are listed if they turn out to be a virus? I would rather not find what I'm looking for than to waste my time going to Limewire and not getting it anyway!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

Some people buy legal mp3s, but me I do if I can't find them anywhere else, but I've moved on from itunes, I'm an allofmp3.com convert now!
The one MAJOR point with limewire you'll search for something and get:

whatisearchedfor.mp3 134.4K 56 users
whatisearchedfor.mp3 3.42MB 12 users
Go for the second one, for most matches you'll get a 134KB file or so, and they're ALWAYS viruses. Avoid them and you're usually alright.

I'm going to wait until you can actually buy a Conrow chip and get it , and then see how fast people's PCs perform with them compared to the FX-62 (and dont' forget X2 prices are really going to come down late next month, the single cores have already - 3800+ from £180 to £95)

 

Yeah Limewire is chuck full of viruses. As long as you don't download files that're obviously disproportionate in size, you're fine. Obviously a movie clip that's 40kB's is most likely malware. Also it's best to use other means to "acquire" software, a lot of the cracks and keygens off Limewire are trojans or worms. It's fine for music and movies. Of course one should always use Peer Guardian when downloading music and movies nowadays. It's best to stick with BT or warez sites for software.

 

@ baltekmi,

I know what you mean but I'm implying that you can buy a current generation processor for alot less and still beat the Conroe. I am well aware of the fact that when OC'd the Conroe will probably still leave us in the dust. And about Conroe vs. FX62. The FX62 is 2.8GHz. Take that sucker up to about 3.4 and you are gonna notice a difference.

Also about benchmarking. How many times have you seen an intel outbench an AMD? I know the Pentium D EE 955 Presler @ 3.46 GHz definitely out benches my X2 3800+ but I can tell you that I can beat it by a small margin in most games.(everything but the Doom 3 engine.) The fact remains that the Conroe hasn't been released to the public yet and FX 62 is still having the bugs worked out. I can smell an FX 64 and 66 around the corner. Intel might have AMD now but the fact remains that AMD has always delivered the better product and intel is new to this technology. AMD is a veteran of the performance business.

And with the new platform thing. I meant that potentially higher overclocks coupled with high speed ddr2 support means that AMD still has a few tricks up their sleeves.

And performance wise. The midrange Conroes are still going to be competing with midrange AMDs. If the highest Conroe beats out FX 62 then the others are below it. And whats there? A64 3700+, 4000+, FX-55, FX-57 and FX-60. And with the lowering prices on dual cores AMD is still going to have a price/performance edge over intel. Nobody has money to buy top end parts and with falling prices AMD will also be the choice for budget gamers. The Conroe might have an advantage over these lower priced CPU's but it is definitely not equivelent to the huge price difference. Tell me how many people you know that actually uses an FX60 or EE 955 Presler 3.46GHz. Not many right? I you anyone here seriously plans on getting a conroe when it comes out you are either

1) A filthy stinking rich sonovagun.

2) seriously needing to sort out your life's priorities.

Think about the current price of intells EE 955. its about well, $955. That is almost the price of my entire system. And I can still beat it on some things.

In that article they are also comparing their conroe to a Pentium 4 631 @ 3.0GHz. It says it surpasses it by 180% in some cases. I know if my 3800+ was 2.95GHz, like the Conroe, it would too. It already far outclassed it when @ 2.0GHz stock speed.

And now that I have read it I see what they were doing. They are comparing apples to potatoes here. The conroe is 3GHz while the X2 5000+ and FX62 are 2.6 and 2.8 respectively. THEN it is comapring them on arithmetic and super pi. Intel's structure is optimized for all this video and rendering crap. And on the game tests it had on AVERAGE a 5-10FPS lead. 5-10 FPS is generally what you are SUPPOSED TO GET HWEN YOU OVERCLOCK AN FX62 to 3GHZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All it has is a slight clockspeed advantage. If they were both the same speed they would have benched(in games anyway) almost the exact same. I think maybe they had 25FPS on the AMDs in one doom test. But so does the 6800Ultra over my X850XT. But we know which is the stronger card right?

I will give intel the cigar on video and super pi. They have always had a general advantage over AMD in that area

@ theonejrs, It sounds like you need some antivirus software. I recommend AVG free edition and ZoneAlarm. ZoneAlarm is an excellent firewall and it always askes me if ANY progrm tries to do ANYTHING. Except for my green list of course. Never trust McAfee. You can't even fully remove it from your system without special procedures and it's a HUGE resource hog. And besides that have you checked song file sizes? Maybe you haven't? Never download anything under 1MB unless it is a very short song. For an average I use this rule. 1 minute of music means about 1,100KB so if you have a file that is like 512KB and you know that the song is longer than about 32 seconds don't download it. Emailing LimeWire won't do anything for you. They can't control what everyone puts on the network.

And I hate Ares. There is NOTHING on their network. I love to download 700MB avi movies. They take up a buttload less space than DVD backups and supply quality that is just as good or pretty darn close. Ares doesn't have alot of movies on it's network. Again, filesize is a HUGE factor. I once downloaded a movie that was like 116MB. Luckily it was a full-length two hour movie. Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust I think. But because it was so tightly compressed the quality was horrible and the audio was crap.

 

Actually no. Intel don't have AMD yet, because the Conroe isn't out.
Also, despite me being a pro-AMD man, AMD haven't always made the better product, IMHO Tualatin was better than Thunderbird. If the X2 prices fall as much as te single core prices have, then both X2s and Conroes will be stinkingly cheap. As to which will be better value though, I'm not sure. That's the thing, for once, Conroe won't be ludicrously expensive when it comes out unlike the other fast CPUs of late, hence why AMD prices are soon to plummet.

I agree with your argument about the games, Doom 3 just isn't balanced enough to be worth it. I struggle to run Doom 3 well on my X800 Pro when I know for sure it'll outpace a "faster" 6800 standard in any other game you lob at it.
116MB for a 2 hour movie? I wouldn't have bothered, no wonder it sounded crap. That's just about sufficient for a 20 minute TV ep, not a full fim. That sounds like ipod material. Ugh, ipods.

I use a 1MB/minute restriction on MP3s, and that suits me fine!

 

what do you think of this board?

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=240188

its and abit.. over an asus... just asking...

i am ordering today.. so try to get here soon...
that and i am ordering this...

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=174247

i need one anyweys... unless you have better to let me spend.. i have 147.00 to spend... what do yall think.. any sudjestions would help greatly...

 

Estuansis,

I already have it. Computer Associates eTrust Internet Security Suite. Works very well. I also have a hardware firewall as I use a Router. None of these viruses ever get through because my AV detects and removes it, then gives you the option whether to continue the download. Unlike Norton, which can be a resource hog CA doesn't seem to use near as many resources. Micro$oft sent it to me for a year free with Service Pack 1. Since I've never gotten a virus while using it, I just renewed it for 2 years! I also use Spybot Search and Destroy as well!!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

I take the cavalier attitude to security. If i get viruses, I try to remove them. If that doesn't work then once my system gets messed up, reformat windows and start again. It's less hassle than continuously having your net slowed down by firewalls and security software imho. Plus out of 4 routers that me and two of my mates have had, none of them are satisfactory (D-Link, Netgear, Linksys, Belkin) all are c**p. They really are. So back to a BT Voyager USB and AVG Free Edition. Fast as hell now!

Do you need crossfire? Despite my ATi mild favouritism, the RD480 isn't the world's best chipset. I'd recommend an Asus A8N-SLi SE over that. Cheaper too!
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=247031
LG Drive is good, I may get one. My DVD writer's been excellent.

 

grrr.. i am going to get the asus o.k?
the 100.00 ati one.. i dont want an sli 1... i am going with crossfire...

 

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=241158

?? ?? ??

better than any of the other ones???
send me the LINK to the one you thiink is the best...
i am soo stressed!!
Thanx,
FIHSNERD

 

You'e going crossfire? fair enough. I'm an ATi supporter, but i dont believe in dual GPUs of either side. Espeically at high level, it just isn't worth it for the price. Beneficial, yes, but sort of 40% more beneficial. Not 90% as the price is! I'm not going to use this A8N-SLi board for SLi, but its just a good board all over.

 

Lol don't be stressed, I had three exams today that clashed, so I had to stay in the exam hall for 6 hours supervised, whilst i did one exam early! Don't talk to me about stress!
We've suddenly migrated to a board that's only single PCIe 16x and yet more expensive. How did we manage that?

 

i dono.. i just dont know why i need an sli mobo with an crossfire ati???
my dad said that the abit was the best because of the passive cooling, and because of the uli sata 3.0 thing third generation or somthing like that.. u said that the abit was not the best.. but the 100.00 asus xpress 200 had the same xpress chipset as the abit...

i am just confused and stressed...

 

If you want crossfire, you WILL need an RD480 board. I wasn't sure whether you did or not. Passive cooling is better, but having an Asus is too.

Here
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=247035
Asus, Crossfire, AND passive cooling. $99. Good enough?