Intel vs. AMD

sammorris,

I don't believe in pre-destination. Omens are only Omens if you believe they are. I also don't believe in confessing a negative. In Church they tell us the easiest way to find trouble is to expect it! You don't have to look for it as it knows you are expecting it and will find you!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

Absolutely. If I keep in high spirits, hopefully everything will be alright. After all it has been on test for a damn week!

 

sammorris,

See, that's what I mean by confessing a negative. Drop the hopefully and you have???

"Everything [bold]will[/bold] be allright"!

According to what they say in Church, being hopeful creates Doubt. Doubt is a solvent, like Lye because it eats at things! Doubt creates Fear! Doubt and Fear leave you vulnerable to the negative!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEMS.

 

sammorris,

Amen!

theonejrs

 

Nephilim,

Why? I had to read Norman Vincent Peal's book, "The Power of Positive Thinking" in college. The book was a commercialized crock, but the concept is true. A lot smarter men than me have said that time and again. If you look for the bad, you will surely find it. Usually they mention the bad in people, but it applies to all bad!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

@Nephilim,
Have a look here
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56466&highlight=4200

 

Nephilim,

That's one of the beauty's of the unknown! When I did thid D940, I had no experience with Dual-Cores or CPUs running faster than 3.0. I checked around in a couple of other forums to see if I could find anything helpfull, but mostly what I found was comentary on supposition! As far as I am concerned, unless you do something really dumb, the chances of majorly hurting something are minimal.

I benched it stock at 3.2 and then moved on to 3.4. I got it running good and then lived with it a few days, running all of my software and making notes on results. I moved it up to 3.6 and hit a wall of sorts. This turned out to be an issue with memory timings. It would run, but it would shut down during a Prime run. I finally got it to where it is now at 3.8 where I think it's reached my limit. I say my limit because I am not willing to raise the voltages any further. they are still below what is accepted but for the few extra percent I might get out of it with only a minimal gain in performance, it's just not worth the risk. The biggest thing I learned is to set it up stock and do a 12 to 24 hour burn in. I guess this helps the electronice develop a set. My rational is that it now runs at 3.8 with memory settings that it failed at when I first tried using them. Burning in or a good Prime run seems to stabilize things so it ultimately runs better after some prolonged heavy use.

So get in there and have at it. Just don't try go overboard. Just because Joe Blow can get his clocked to umpteen GHz with his CPU doesen't mean that you can do the same thing using the same CPU. When you get done with it, you will have learned a lot and accomplished something! The nicest thing is that no matter how other people feel about what you have accomplished is that you didn't do it for them, you did it for yourself!!!

Since you are running an AMD x2, here's an interesting article from Tom's Hardware about memory speeds and timings.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/31/tight_timings_vs_high_clock_frequencies/
It should be helpfull to you!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

Neph: I might be, but I'm not going to be touching it until I feel OK to tamper with my expensive new build - I figure if I paid for a warranty (don't worry it's not some ghastly 3 year extended warranty for megabucks, just 1 year on site) I should use it. I rather fancy using it at stock at first!
After all, unlike you guys this PC is a major step forward for me, not just one in a long line of computers, from an XP single core 32-bit, to an X2 dual core 64-bit, with all the trimmings, extra RAM, bigger GPU, Raptor hard disk and so on and so forth. I've put off reformatting this unit (which direly needs it) because of its RAID, and therefore the new unit should seem even faster by comparison. At present, I'm not about going faster for faster's sake. Unless I can really use all those MIPS, I see no point in getting more!
Rest assured though, with an A8N-SLi, a Zalman cooler, Arctic silver and a well-ventilated case, Overclocking is expected of me right?

 

WTH?
i thought you were getting a X1900XT?
ATI with Nvidia chipset?
i think the thing holding me back is my crucial ram..
i want to get the 7900GT but i have ati crossfire motherboard..
sooo.. i am going to get the X1800XT i think.. i dont THINK have enough to get the X1900XT.. if i do i will get a refurb..
but.. the 1800 included 3 games and was retail.

BTW: i was looking into the DDR2 ram... why does it seam less expensive than the standard DDR? (pc3200) easier tech or somthing?
and if i am wanting to build a desent conroe system soon..
i have to know this crap this time..


It Looks Like Intel Is doing a AMD if you know what i mean.. On the conroe, it seams like they are getting that "More performance Per Clock" thing that AMD had.. I really think AMD could be in trouble.
But if they get the 2nd Gen of AM2 out in time.. maby they can save some of their advances on the Intel corp.

but i am going to see the shuttle launch today.. hopefully all will go well ... NASA said that they were taking a RISK about the foam comming off of the shuttle.. theirfore leaving the shuttle to burn up..

but their is my good moring talk.. i dont normally get pissy in the mornings..

SAMMORRIS: that Looks Like a kick ass system.. but 1 questing.. what CPU is in that bad boy again?

Thanx,
FIHSNERD

 

Fihsnerd,

Nope, that's not true at all. The route conroe took was the band-aid route. They speeded everything up but still don't have the memory controller on the CPU, or the fsb system AMD uses. It will take a major re-design to accomplish what AMD has done. Just because a CPU is fast doesn't mean that it's efficient.

Benchmark racing is one thing because while you can make the CPU run very fast, real world speed is what counts. The CPU is only one part of that speed. In other words, how much work can be done in a given clock cycle. Aside from not being as efficient in memory management, Intel has a bottleneck with the fsb! The effective fsb on an Intel is 1066MHz total (2x533MHz) for both cores, while the fsb on the AMD is 1000MHz per core which is effectively a 2000MHz fsb! There's a very simple way to explain why this is. If you are running water through 2 pipes, a 1" one and a 2" one. the 2" one can flow more water at the same pressure. What Intel has done is raise the pressure to force more water through the smaller pipe which is less efficient!

Intel has a lot of work to do to catch up to AMD's overall architecture! Look how easily AMD gave the 3800+ and the 170 Opteron some new muscle without a major re-design. I know someone who has their 3800+ running at 2.9GHz stable. That's a 45% increase in processor speed! AMD is far from being in trouble!!!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

Nephilim,

I don't know what happened to the link, but if you try it again, it's now working!

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/31/tight_timings_vs_high_clock_frequencies/

theonejrs

 

FISHNERD: am, did, have! It's Sweeeeeeet.
DDR2 is AM2 only for AMD, you know that right? The CPU is an X2 4200+ and kicks @ss!

How do you like your rig, neph? With the same amount of RAM and same CPU we should be on simiar lines, although I confess i got an X1900XT rather than a 6800GS!

I'll post some pics in the hounds thread when I get access to one of our cameras.
My only little irk at the moment is that the raptor is very noisy. Meh, who cares, it's not obscene and it's fast!

 

O so u got in your system???
how is it??

 

@sammorris,
congrats on the new system

 

wow everyones getting new systems ,i have to work some things out minesrunning way to hot 48c at idle

 

What is the better BRD
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3500CGBOX - Retail 122.99
# 64 bit Support: Yes
Hyper-Transport Support: Yes
L1 Cache: 64KB+64KB
L2 Cache: 512KB
Multi-Core: Single-Core
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
Process Type: 90 nm
Series: Athlon 64
Voltage: 1.35V
# Model #: ADA3500CGBOX
# Item #: N82E16819103603

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3500BPBOX - Retail 109.00
# 64 bit Support: Yes
Hyper-Transport Support: Yes
L1 Cache: 64KB+64KB
L2 Cache: 512KB
Multi-Core: Single-Core
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
Process Type: 90 nm
Series: Athlon 64
Voltage: 1.35/1.4V
# Model #: ADA3500BPBOX
# Item #: N82E16819103533

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Orleans 2000MHz HT Socket AM2 Processor Model ADA3500CNBOX - Retail 114.99
# 64 bit Support: Yes
Hyper-Transport Support: Yes
L1 Cache: 64KB+64KB
L2 Cache: 512KB
Multi-Core: Single-Core
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
Process Type: 90 nm
Series: Athlon 64
Voltage: 1.25/1.35/1.40V
# Model #: ADA3500CNBOX
# Item #: N82E16819103633
ABOUT the only difference I can see is in the the voltage
And whats with the voltage diff. 1.25/1.35/1.4V