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Intel vs. AMD

Discussion in 'PC hardware help' started by flip218, May 21, 2006.

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  1. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    Thing is you're running a fanless 32-SLi board which really want two case fans, since you've only the one, and you have an internally exhausting graphics card, you need more case fans than that case fits. One at the side at GPU level would go down well. 7800GTXs put out mahoosive amounts of heat for inside-case ventilation.
     
  2. aabbccdd

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    yeah sammorris one on the side like you have would def. help

    your right that card 7800GTX runs hot

     
  3. sammorris

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    if I remember rightly, the 7800GTX isn't far off the X1900XT's heat output, and I think the later 512MB overclocked version was about the same. For a card of its power, the 7800GTX is one hot chip! Most case side fans seem to be mounted in the middle of the window, but the Lexa's is mounted lower down and nearer the back so it's in the optimal place to cool a graphics card. That may be why my GPU fan doesn't spool up to high speed in gaming.
     
  4. rick5446

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    theonejrs..Actually I'm looking for a Mid to MAX tower that will hold & run 6 Harddrives[250gig ea] as I do a lot of Video
    Right now I've got a Mini W/4 externals,I've already had to replace 2 of the externals cases within the last 18mons.I use the 5 1/2"ADS cases which are a little expensive.So I figure a new cs with a proper Power supply will do a better job,as my mini has been going for 3yrs
    So I do appreciate everybodies help & I do heed what all do say,even though some just give name brands.but not specific models
    Even w/name brds U have so many choices
    THANKS
     
  5. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    Absolutely. The typical case has 5 slots for hard disks if you have a floppy disk drive, 4 if both FDD and MCR that use separate slots because they usually have 2 externally visible and 4 internals.
     
  6. theonejrs

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    rick5446,

    6 drives, wow!!! My case has 7, although one is for the floppy but you could put a hard drive in it. I don't think I would want that many because of the extra heat. Have you considered the posibility of a couple of these?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148134

    The price has come to a reasonable level and it would give you 1.5 Terabytes of hard disk space for a little over $800. That's outstanding when you consider how much these went for when they first came out. You would certainly be able to store a heck of a lot of video with them. Plus it's SATA 3.0! Check it out.

    Happy Computering,
    theone
     
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  7. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    Thats insane, and pretty good value too. However it's a lot of data to back up!
     
  8. rick5446

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    theonejrs..The thing is I've already got the harddrives,I started w/120gig when I thought they were cheap 99.00,eventualy went all the way too 250gig for 59.00ea U jump to 300gigs & up price also jumps..I think I prefer the 250's for a lot of reasons,cost,file loss,defrag,etc..I can be defraging one drv,while still working on another.My main drv is only 120gig,for programs.While I only use the others for storage.I had 1 drv go out on me [western digital-120],so fortunately I only lost a small portion.
    Ive very good luck with the HITACHI's 250gig,bought them on sale for 69.00 @compusa,also with the compusa HDD [THINK THEY are Maxtor]not sure
    But for storage as these Drvs burn-out,I'll consider the larger ones,considering price..for now I've got enough..Just would like to invest in a little beter system..WITH a larger cs & definitely a good powersupply to run it.I don't know if the pwrspply will have all the cables I'll need or the proper amps to support Brd,CPU X2,& HDD
    So if I get a tower w 5HDD Bays,I'll be able to use the floppy for a HDD,IS THAT RIGHT ?
    This is the powersupply I'm considering..ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W Power Supply - Don't know if this is overkill or not 160.00 newegg
    Also want to use 1 bay for those fans that fit to cool HDD
    I'm pretty well set on a 3800+X2 Dual-Core Processor,not sure on the mobo yet,might use Abit,or Gigabyte
     
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    Yeah should be fine.
     
  10. theonejrs

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    rick5446,
    That depends on the design. Some will and some won't. On my case all the 3 1/2" bays are in a line so it can be done. Some cases make a seperate shorter floppy bay. My case has 4 5 1/4" bays on top. I have a DVD Rom, then a DVD Burner a blank and then a CDRW. All my IDEs are all taken but I still will be able to add 4 SATA hard drives if I want. I have a Maxtor Diamond Plus 120 GB for now that's split into 2 logical drives. It's quiet and reasonably fast. The only reason I say that is because the Raptors are much faster.

    As far as the PS goes, even the one you are looking at would be a little taxed with all the stuff you run unless your externals have their own PS. Here's a calculator for wattage requirements.
    http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp
    I did a rough calc on yours, without any overclocking. It comes to 527 watts, so the PS you are considering might not be enough. I would look for a 650 watt or better PS because of all the hard drives. Like I said, if the Externals have their own PS then the one you picked will be fine as long as you don't intend to make them internal.

    Happy Computering,
    theone
     
  11. rick5446

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    theonejrs..My intention was to put as many HDD's as possible inside the case,as these external houseings are breaking down.I 've already lost 2.The ADS's are about 80.00 a piece
    Also just noticed their are 2 diff 3800+ a 1.35 & 1.4 whats the dif.
    Checked out that site,Thanks it helps alot.IT POINTS TO A 624watt with what I've got..GUESSING I'M GOING TO HAVE A REALLY EXPENSIVE powersupply
     
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  12. theonejrs

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    rick5446,

    That's another reason I suggested the 750. I mean even just one would give you 3/4 of a Terabyte of storage! Power supplies above 650 watts are available but in the long run the 750 GB drive would be a better investment. By the time you get everything needed to power and cool what you have, it would be the cheaper (and much cooler) route, and far less noisey!

    Happy Computering,
    theonejrs
     
  13. rick5446

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    theonejrs..You are right..but HDD's do go bad.As mine will eventualy,as this happens I'll replace with the others.In the meen time I'll know I've got a stable system W/sufficent power for all.
    Still my only draw back is losing 4 or 500gigs of Video vs 250
     
  14. theonejrs

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    rick5446,
    Look into a program, Acronis TrueImage 9. You can back up the data to any hard drive and it compresses and decompresses perfectly. It saves me a lot of work when something roaches in XP. Takes me about 7 minutes to restore mine and it can be restored without an operating system installed and to any hard drive no matter what size or type, as long as the drive you are restoring it to is large enough. When it's on sale, it's usually about $29. in fact it's on sale for $25, right now at Newegg!
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832200204

    I have a small 60 GB drive that I store the backup on for both partitions. If you need it, you just boot the program disk or make a boot CD and tell it what you want to restore. It also does incremental backups as well so you can update without having to back up everything. The first time you need it will pay for itself. You can clone drives as well. You don't even have to erase a drive before restoring. Once it's done restoring, just re-boot and it comes up just as it was before the problem! Highly recomended!!

    Happy Computering,
    theone
     
  15. rick5446

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    theonejrs..What your saying is I can back-up 4 or 500gigs of video on less the 60gig HDD.
     
  16. theonejrs

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    rick5446,

    No, I'm saying thet you should be able to back up that much in about half the space or less. Rather than compress the video in the conventional manner, it backs it up as data. 1s and 0s! I've restored my system about 4 times in the last year and have never lost a single byte! And, it is much faster to restore than comventional backups! For my boot drive it compresses about 35MB of data into an 18.7G GB file!

    Happy Computering,
    theonejrs
     
  17. crowy

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    @theonejrs,
    Are you sure??
     
  18. baltekmi

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    @Baltekmi,
    I noticed -5v doesn't have a amperage rating??
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  20. baltekmi

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    crowey,
    It seems so far that what you have shown me is indicative of the
    "sli" ready power supplies. So will it mess up my mobo if I use it on a non sli board?
     
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