Intel vs. AMD

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  1. rick5446

    rick5446 Guest

    DA YA Think this power supply would run all the necessities on a mobo,plus an ATI ALL IN WONDER 9000Pro,1 DVD Drv,1 DVD RW,1 Floppy,6 ide HDD's
    If not what could someone suggest!!THANKS
    Ive got to start ordering things while I've got the bucks

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817182037

    Rosewill RP600S-2MK ATX12V 600 W Power Supply 115/230 V CSA, CB, TUV, FCC, UL
    Model RP600S-2MK
    SPEC
    Type ATX12V
    Maximum Power 600 W
    Fans 1 x Silent 120mm Ball-bearing Fan with Blue LED
    PFC No
    Main Connector 20+4-Pin
    Dual +12V Yes
    SLI Support No
    Modular Cabling Support Yes
    Over Voltage Protection YES
    Overload Protection YES
    Input Voltage 115/230 V
    Input Frequency Range 50/60Hz
    Input Current 12A @ 115AC, 6A @ 230AC
    Output +3.3V@30A, +5V@55A, +12V1@19A, +12V2@19A, -12V@1A, +5VSB@2.5A
    MTBF 100k hours at max. load, normal line and 25°C
    Approvals CSA, CB, TUV, FCC, UL
    Features
    Connectors 1 x Main connector (20+4 pin)
    1 x 12V (P4)
    1 x 12V(8 pin)
    8 x peripheral
    2 x SATA
    2 x Floppy
    1 x PCI-E
     
  2. FIHSNERD

    FIHSNERD Guest

    i was looking at the same thing.. i think it will.. they said it was above what the specs said.. which is good.. so i think it is an exelent ps.. but i think for the price, it runs ar 550W which is cool because it is 600W and it is modular..
     
  3. rick5446

    rick5446 Guest

    FIHSNERD..My primary concern is enough power lines to run the HDD's.I've even considered a SATA2IDE converter cbl,but read somewhere these don't always work
    this particular is only 12+x2 at 19amps
    Somewhere else I had read that the amps are very important,I think maybe should be around 25to30amps.Don't really know though as I've never built a system B4.So if Ima gonna doit I A WANNA DO IT RIGHT
    I'm waiting on the Dual Core AMD's to come down a little[hopefully by the end of the mon]

    ANYBODY feel free to jump-in & respond
     
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  4. crowy

    crowy Guest

    @rick5446,
    Go here and do the calculations for your new build.
    http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp

    Remember,most psu manufacturers over rate their power supplies and give you a peak wattage rating.That means a 600 watt power supply may deliver 600 watts but only for a very short time before it shuts down.Deduct 30% off of the manufacturers rating IE: If psu has a 600 watt rating expect 420 watts @ 100% duty cycle 24/7.
    Also have a look here to get an idea of the not recommended brands.
    http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29248
    Hiper are probably one of the best around at the moment.
     
  5. rick5446

    rick5446 Guest

    crowy..That little calculation page shows 511 Watt PSU.How important are the AMPS?They do vary on a lot of PSU
    Also if their are not enough power connectors for HDD's is it safe to use a splitter
     
  6. crowy

    crowy Guest

    rick5446,
    The amps are required to get things powered up eg:hard drive motors spinning up,dvd rom drive motors spinning up.A hard drive can draw up to around 2.8 amps @ 12v and .75 amps @+5v when its spinning up at boot and then drop down to .7 amps once its reached max rpm.So in your case with 6 drives you are looking at 16.8 amps 12v. 4.5amps +5v which is about 220 watts which must be supplied for around 10 seconds just for your hard drives.After 10 seconds the 12v current consumption drops to the steady state of about 0.7A on each of the 5v and 12v rails, about 12W total for each drive or 72 watts for 6 drives.You then have to take into consideration everything else thats powering up at the same time(mainboard,videocard,floppy drive,usb peripherals if they draw power from the system etc.) So the amps are what you need to get eveything up to a stable state.
     
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  7. rick5446

    rick5446 Guest

    crowy..Then it would probably be safe to have a PSU/W about 13amps instead of the 30amps
    Also what about my question about enough power connectors for HDD's is it safe to use a splitter [1x2]
     
  8. FIHSNERD

    FIHSNERD Guest

    HELP?!?!
     
  9. crowy

    crowy Guest

    @rick5446,
    A splitter will be ok just as long as the current draw on the 12v. / +5v. rails doesnt exceed the rated output of the psu at start up.Remember most psu manufacturers exceed there claimed output by as much as 30%.Dont fall for the 1000Watt 65amp psu for $20 mentality,It's not going to happen.You get what you pay for is true to a certain extent with psu's although there are exceptions.Have a look for some psu comparisons on the web and try to get an idea of what and what not to go for.If possible get a psu locally so if there is a problem,a return for exchange does'nt take days or weeks.One more thing, if you want peace of mind a second psu to power all of those drives may be an option.

    @FIHSNERD,
    Are you drowning?
     
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  10. He_Man

    He_Man Regular member

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    hi people,i would be appreciative if u could tell me if a amd turion 64 2ghz in a hp laptop is faster than a intel pentium 4 2.4ghz in a pc?

    thanks in advance
     
  11. FIHSNERD

    FIHSNERD Guest

    HECK YES.. and amd turon 2.0 would beat a 3.0 Pentium 4 at the least..
    and no i am deowning in a pool of anti attention.. :)
     
  12. crowy

    crowy Guest

    @FIHSNERD,
    I'll let the vid card gurus answer your question.
    Where's sammorris?
     
  13. FIHSNERD

    FIHSNERD Guest

    your right, i have not seen him in a while myself

     
  14. tocool4u

    tocool4u Guest

    No it wouldn't.
     
  15. rick5446

    rick5446 Guest

    crowy..Thought of a 2nd PSU..BUT WHERE TO PUT IT?I'm definately going to get a mid to max tower.Some max towers have 12 HDD Bays maybe put it their,don't know.But 2 PSU is definetly on my mind.NewEgg has a nice
    Rosewill RP600S-2MK ATX12V 600 W Power Supply for $74.99.
    Unless U might know of a more stable,durable UNIT
     
  16. Estuansis

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    A turion 2.0GHz is I think the 34-MT or something like that. The 34 means 3400+ so, yes it would beat the pants off a Pentium 4 3.0GHz. It's like a 3.2-3.4GHz P4 :)
     
  17. tocool4u

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    I really doubt that is the way they have it....An AMD Turron isn't like a 3.2 or 3.4...Trust me.. The 3400 number doesn't mean that. I'll only believe it if some one like Sammorris or Theonejrs or Boxrench....Not that I am not denying it..I just want to here from the people that are positive and know alot about PC hardware.
     
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  18. Estuansis

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    Well they wouldn't release a Processor that wa insanely weak would they? I mean to say that the 2.0GHz 3200+ Venice is equal to a 3.2GHz P4 and naturally the mobile processors will be a bit more efficient.
     
  19. He_Man

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    thanks for the info guys.I was asking as i was gonna buy this hp laptop right get this in comet its £999.99 but in currys(like the other end of the centre)£699.99
    lol how can they justify that
     
  20. theonejrs

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    crowy,
    I took the plunge and wiped my boot drive with Acronis and did a fresh install of XP. All the problems disappeared. Games play great and the video is better than perfect.

    I've got a good one for you. The computer is now noticably faster. I had copied a DVD last week when the computer was at 3.81GHz. Total time was 113 minutes from Rip to Finished burn. Now, running at 3.75 the same movie on the same computer took 100 minutes total. 13 minutes is a huge difference. I'm right at 20K MIPS and a memory bandwidth of 5876MB/s, and here's my 3DMarks!
    [​IMG]

    I'm a happy camper. Also thanks to everyone who gave me advice. I appreciate it!

    Happy Computering,
    theone
     
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