Intel vs. AMD

Yeah of course, but it's better than nothing, for a lot of people I expect that's all that's needed. All those results are expected, but better than nothing eh?

 

theonejrs
well as far as oc'ing, I can't wait to see the results of the d805 build!
Deadrum33
I guess the proper term should be application, not just games.
I know a lot of computers the load fast, but using the application somtimes results in less than glorious results.

sammorris

I guess what i ment was that I was not familiar with the asus bios as I am a abit fanboy. The auto setting in any good mobo are usually fine.It's when you get to the oc'ing menus that a great boards will emerge(being asus/abit etc.). and the stablity of the board brings it to the forfront. Again I bought my first asus.. a very low end, but stable as hell. Si I will not hesitate to get another asus board in the future. I will just wave to tap in to you guy "expert opinion On what to set what at!" Les bon ton rule'

 

baltekmi,

As far as I know only one is up and running and it has fallen far short of expectations. The MB being used does not allow voltage change for the CPU so it's pretty well stuck at I believe 3.2 0r 3.3 which is not at all that bad for a native 2.66 but I'll stick with my choice, a D940 Pressler. According to what I have read, it sould OC very nicely to 3.6 and more if I want since heat shouldn't be an issue with the Zalman.

I would really like to have the Asus P5N32-SLI Deluxe as it has some really nice features for overclocking, but I'm ready to go with a P5P800-SE If I don't sell the computer. I already have everything but the MB so I'm gonna wait till the end of the week and if I don't hear anything, that's what I'll buy!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

See that's the problem, getting a good motherboard to obtain the last few hundred mhz negates the cost saving of the whole exercise. A top end board with top end RAM will cost you here in the regions of £400 with a Zalman cooler with the D805. You can use an X2 3800+ with value RAM and a normal scale mobo and overclock that to about 2.7Ghz on about £380, and it will beat the hell out of any D805 build. It's just those extra pounds saved by doing it. SO if you can't go further, I wouldn't complain.

 

sammorris.

I'm not using the D805 2.66, I bought a D940 Pressler 3.2 that I plan to run at 3.6 or so in either an Asus P5P800-SE or if my computer sells, an Asus P5N32-SLI Deluxe. Either way. it's "Bye Bye 805"! From what I've been hearing the best that anyone's reported so far is 3.3 which is limited by the budget MB not having voltage adjustments for CPU or memory. Someone over at the Hounds reported that encoding was about 30% slower too. Sometimes the Lab is not the real world. I've heard a few people talking about maybe buying the same board THG used in their tests but so far I don't know anyone who has. When Sophocles gets his done, we'll see what the 805 can do on a former high end MB. He's using a P5P800 as well. I think he will hit 3.6 or so and need liquid cooling or a vapochill from there on. Ambient temperature will play a huge part in how far you can go. In the THG tests the system consumes 360 watts at full load running at 3.60. At least 100 watts of that is the processor. I'll bet it's a lot higher than that. I mean it's a 130 watt chip, designed to pull a max of 130 watts at 2.66. My Pressler is a 130 watt chip as well, but it's designed to draw 130 watts Max at 3.2. That's a 500MHz head start over the D805 to begin with and the 4MB of cache compared to the 2MB on the 805 will make a difference too. Like I said in one of my previous posts, to me the 805 is a technical exercise, period! I don't want one for my main computer, which is exactly what I'm building.

All I want is a fast high quality computer that runs about on a par with the x2 4400+. I think I'll have that when I'm done!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

sammorris

i am not building the d805 I was talking about someone else's build.
But what High end mb would you recomend for the conro?

 

baltekmi,

Check out my benches on DVDH. I did as they say, a little tweaking. The numbers are outstanding for a 3.0/800 Prescott. My bandwith is up about 20% and my memory is running at 468MHz. Check it out!!!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

Theonejrs: I was just using that as a reference point. It'll probably beat a D940 until it's overclocked to about 3.6. That's not too hard, but it shows how easily you can get a custom build X2 to bust the behind of any Dell/Gateway stock system. You'll be on par with the 4400+ stock by the time you've got a 940 overclocked. I wouldn't mind betting a fully tuned 4400 will still beat you OCed 940, but I could be wrong.

Heat isn't quite as bad as you think, the D805 is 95W at 2666, not 130, but that still means at 3.6Ghz, that's probably pushing somewhere around 130-140W. Anything beyond that and it's specialist cooler time.

Baltekmi, that was areally a general statement about the 805, not aimed at anyone, I'd better learn to start saying what I actually mean... It was basically, considering how it's possible to push an 805 on a budget board, you're getting better value than getting an X2 or a bigger intel. Once the expensive boards are considered, it's not really a budget build any more, you end up paying X2 money with a standard board.
Particularly for a Prescott, 20% is quite impressive, what do you cool it with?

 

sammorris,

You don't have to OC it, the D940 is on a par with the 4400+ to begin with. In most of the benchmarks listed in THG's review the D940 and the 4400+ are pretty much side by side. In some benchmarks one is better than the other but overall, they are fairly even. I do think that the 4400+ has more potential for overclocking than the 940. Had the 4400+ been available at the same price, I would have bought it instead. However, there isn't enough difference between the two to justify paying the $200 price difference. I would really liked to have gotten the D950 but at about $100 more I couldn't justify it.

I assume you are asking me since I don't know anyone else that's gotten a 20% OC out of a Prescott. I use a Zalman 9500LED which was on sale last week at Newegg for under $50. Caution!!! Make sure it will fit the case before you buy one. On mine there is only about 3/8" between the cooler fins and the power supply. While it was recomended to remove the mB to install it, I pulled the PS instead but it was very very close putting it back in. Sophocles put me on to Zalman and it's turned out to be one of my better buys!

crowy,

I don't know! I remember a few years back when they were telling us that they had reached the practical limit for hard drive capacity in IDE drives. That was when drives were measured in Megabytes. Now you can buy Terabyte drives in the same form factor, so you never know what newer tech will bring. 10 years ago if you had 2x16MB simms, you were King of the hill. Today I have 2GB with a MB that supports 4GB, so you never know. By the way, those 16MB simms cost as much then as two 1GB sticks cost today so we do get more bang for the buck these days.

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

Hmm, dodn't realise the 940 was quite that good, I've not seen anyone else use one. Ah, it was the 840 that was rubbish wasn't it?

Just curious about the cooler, I intend to get a slightly more compact freezer 64, but it's always good to see what Zalmans are capable of.

 

sammorris,

Yeah well leave it to me to be the square peg in a round hole! I guess I'm not a "me too" person. I like the idea of taking something that isn't common and doing something with it to make it perform better. Witness my 3.0 Prescott. I don't know anyone else in the forum that has one! While not a top performer, it's still a very fast and capable machine. That's what I expect from the D940, which BTW just arrived!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

Cool, good luck, let us know at here and hounds how you got on.

 

@sammorris,
Do a lot of googling to search for your cooler.
Read the test results for as many as you can.
I am looking at buying one in the near future and have exhausted just about every review site I can find.
So far the one that catches my eye is the Scythe Ninja.

Specifications:

Model Name: SCNJ-1000
Manufacturer: Scythe Co., Ltd., Japan

Compatibility:
Intel:
Celeron (socket 478) all speeds
Pentium 4 (socket 478) all speeds
LGA775 (socket 775) all speeds

AMD:
Sempron (socket 754) all speeds
Athlon 64 (socket 754) all speeds
Athlon 64FX (socket 754) all speeds
Opteron (socket 939) all speeds
Opteron (socket 940) all speeds

Heatsink Dimensions: 110 x 110 x 150mm
Weight: 665g
Recommended Fan Size: Comes with 120 x 120 x 25mm fan clip
Included Fan: 120 x 120 x 25mm, Noise Level: 23.5dBA, Air Flow: 46.5CFM, Speed: 1,200rpm

A small snippet:

Silent PC Review

"The Scythe Ninja is an excellent HS that can be confidently recommended for the most demanding CPU cooling challenges at truly whisper quiet noise levels when mated with the correct 120mm fan. Overclockers will be delighted with the Ninja as well; with even moderate airflow it should be able to tackle all manner of hot processors. In the right case, like an Antec P180, the Scythe Ninja is just about perfect"

Full review here:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article251-page1.html
Just be careful to note the size of whatever cooler you like to make sure it will fit.Fortunately the location of my CPU on this mainboard is fairly central and I have heaps of room, and my case is wide also so height isnt a problem either.

 

crowy,

You might want to re-consider that cooler and check Tom's Hardware's CPU cooler tests. The top coolers were the Zalman 9500LED and the Vapochill Micro-Series. I would buy one of those before I would buy the Scythe. The Vapochill, if you don't have the room for the 9500 is a very good choice. It has a liquid in it that turns to vapor from the CPU heat which carries the heat through the heat pipes to the cooling fins. Then the vapor then condenses and runs down the sides of the heat pipes and collects in the bottom as a liquid, to do it all over again! It finished ranked right behind the Zalman.

Just thought you might like to know.

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

@theonejrs,
The scythe also uses heatpipe technology(6 in fact)
However I might sway towards this new baby:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/tuniq-tower120_8.html

 

Here's some stuff you might be interested in.

Tomshareware's review of MS VISTA: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vista/index.html

Too be honest, it reads more like a paid advertisement for VISTA. There's no mention of the DRM aspect of VISTA. I haven't read much of Tomsharware's reviews, but if that's typical of their work, I would definitely seek a more objective reviewer. Also, here's some info about AM2's release: http://www.xtreme-source.com/showthread.php?p=8782#post8782

 

@theonjrs,

This isnt quite true(unless your using an AT mainboard).
If the liquid ran to the bottom it would be sitting at the lower side of the heatsink because heatsinks for the main part are mounted horizontally not vertically.
This might explain it better:

 

crowy,

You might check out this cooling solution (Pun intended}
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/09/strip_out_the_fans/

It has no fans at all and temperature holds at 40C for everything and makes no noise!

theonejrs

 

crowy, I think thats what he ment. Thats what a heatpipe does.. It goes without saying being vertical or horzontal. everyone knows that.

 

@theonejrs,
Just finished removing the fans and are sealing up the case now LOL!!!