Intel vs. AMD

crowy,

You have to forgive me on that one. I'm a Desktop case man and prefer them to towers. This is only my third tower case ever! I just like the fact that you can put the monitor on top of it and you use up a lot less desk space in the process. There's also more room in most good desktop cases because of the drive layouts. Problem is is that desktop cases are rare these days and the selection when available, is very poor!

By the way!

You have that backwards. They are mounted vertically (up and down) not horizontally (side to side)! You must have caught my Desktop case Ietus!!!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

@theonejrs,
Sorry I meant horizontally with respect to the floor not to the mainboard.If you are talking the mainboard then vertical.Anyway,
CHECK THIS!!:
AMD Announces Dual-Socket, Dual-Core '4x4' Platform.
Go here:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1970271,00.asp

 

And here:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1963142,00.asp


AMD has said it will follow the quad-core chip with a move to a redesigned processor architecture around 2008 or 2009.

Meanwhile, rival chip maker Intel, of Santa Clara, Calif., is also working to deliver quad-core chips in 2007.

So far, Intel has shown off a quad-core Xeon, code-named Clovertown.

Following a logical progression, eight-core PC processors may become possible with the next generation of manufacturing technology, 45 nanometers, which Intel said it expects to begin rolling out some time in 2007.
OK, so dual core/dual processor boards are coming.
Then Quad core processors are coming.
So why not Quad core/Quad processor mainboards?
Then Eight core/eight processor mainboards?
24 Memory slots
PCI express@96x
Quad power supplies(or just one big mutha!)
Like the one here:


This would probably need to be mounted outside the house
and connected via the optional extension cable pictured here:



And here is the prototype:


(The size is the main issue at the moment as the manufacturers admit )but are working on getting it down to a size that will fit in the average backyard.
And of course the case fan:

 

crowy,

Intel won't catch up truely until they do something with their front side buss! 1066MHz ain't gonna do it. Not with AMD's Hyper Transport which makes their FSB effectively 2000MHz. Quad Core and the situation even worsens for Intel. They would still be stuck with the 1066 bus while the AMD would effectively be zipping along on a 4000MHz bus! Better yet imagine Dual Quad Cores on a 2 socket motherboard, which AMD is helping develop with the MB manufacturers right now! Imagine the advantages to having one of those! Want to take bets that it will be forward compatable with the coming Quad Cores. Imagine the thru-put of an 8000MHz bus cause that's exactly what they'll have with that MB.

Hey man, I own two Intels. One by accident and one because I wanted it(the D940)! So, I don't consider myself and AMD fanboy. But these are the facts. I like my 3.0 Prescott and I'm looking forward to the new D940 build. In the end, we'll see how it all comes out!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

@theonejrs,
looking forward to the next 5 years!!!!

 

Go here:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060531042947.html

 

Might get one of these!!!:

 

crowy@2104 & Theonejrs@0025: Yeah, but I want a cooler I know is going to fit, and I'm going compact. I don't really want a huge imposing cooler with a 120mm fan. I want one that's not going to end up coming off either. Me, freezer 64 Pro, still. Cheap, effective and silent.

Tokijin: I thought that article was a bit pro-vista, but tbh, THG aren't usually like that, they really aren't.

Crowy@0447: Lol, cool PSU.
crowy@0839: Yeah, you notice 64GB of RAM and a 160GB hard drive... that's the $99 of the $18,499.

 

well its June guys anybody know when this month that AMD is going to have that price drop. iam getting the AMD Opteron 175 Demark either way price drop or not

 

You may want to grab one quick, they won't be around forever.

 

sammorris,

Check out the Vapochill Micro Series, it's small and quiet and is close in performance to the Zalman 9500. Very nice design too. Stay away from something called the V8! I forget who makes it but this thing is unbelievably cool looking with a cover that makes it look like a little V8 motor. Unfortunatley the only thing cool was it's looks as it finished last in the tests by a wide margin!

crowy,

Like sammorris said, get two! Charge it to DFI as a work project! He He!!! Personally I would forget about the Tunig. It weighs just a hair under 800g without the fan. It makes the 9500 look like a lightweight.

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

Yeah I heard the V8's rubbish. I did look into the vapochill micro before voting for the freezer64, I think. There was something that swayed me, I think it was the noise.

 

Here it is here,
made by EKL.I read about this one too some time back.
Certainly looks the part but couldnt find any favourable reviews at all.



@theonjrs,
Lets not get back on the DFI v ASUS thing!!(Having lots of fun with this DFI Genie bios though.Got the computer to boot at 2.84GHZ but immediately crashed when windows opened.)
Not really concerned about the weight of the cooler as I wont be moving the computer around at all and have already considered placing a support
under the extreme end of the heatsink.That weight you were talking about (798grams) is without the fan!!

 

crowy,

Just joking!! It,s just most people here think you work for DFI. If you do, that's cool!!! If you don't. well.... People will always think that you do.

You should have shown the pic with the cover on. It's pretty wild looking. It's a damn shame, it just doesn't cool!

Got my Zalman pointed in the right direction after discovering that it was in backwards. Mumbers are on DVDH.

The reason I brought up the weight is that a cooler that heavy once you've added a fan could very easily crack the MB around the area of the CPU socket just from the side load. If you go that route, you might want to consider a leg to the bottom of the case to help support it.

After putting the Zalman in properly, it now idles at 46C and encodes at 52C in a 21C room. This is a 3.0/800 Prescott we're talking about, so it's hot to begin with. My encoding temps dropped 10C from the way it was installed before and 16C lower than at stock 3.0 settings while encoding. all this after being on for over 8 hours. You know which cooler gets my vote!!!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

@theonejrs,
Actually I do work for DFI,my real name is Oskar Wu..........JUST JOKING!!LOL.
Wish I did work for them,a free mainboard here and there would be nice.
Have a read about Oskar Wu on the net.He used to work for ABIT but went to DFI and became their chief design engineer.He has created some of his own bioses for some of the DFI boards that are optimized for certain types of RAM,unfortunately my value select isnt one of them.However when I decide to upgrade the memory I will do some research into which RAM has his bios support and consider going with that.
Ive already got the extra support for the cooler worked out.

I will use a wooden support to avoid any issues with static electricity.

 

crowy,

Good move on the brace. I imagine over time all that weight would put a permanent bow in the MB since it way exceeds the manufacturer's standard for side loading weight on any motherboard I know of. Picture trying to hold it by the edges with just your fingertips and you'll get the general idea. Just make sure no one accidently bumps against it cause that ugly snap you'll hear will be followed by the purchase of a new MB. I used to know all the formulas for side loads, verticle sheer and others because of the need for it in my job. I just can't think of them right now and I'm too lazy to go digging for them. Since that's the heaviest cooler I've ever heard of, I guess it poses the most risk if it gets knocked!

BTW Sophocles has his D805 on an Asus P5P800-SE MB and he's already up to 3.8GHz on air cooling with the 9500 and the temps don't break 40C. I forget who built the other one but he's stuck at 3.3 because the MB he chose doesn't give him enough adjustments to allow him to go any further. Since I'm getting the same MB, it looks real good for my D940 build next week!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

My Socket A board has bowed slightly even with the use of a compact cooler such as the Arctic Copper Silent2l, so you can expect issues with a cooler that size.

You can't argue with 3.3 over 2.66, thats still a 23.75% overclock. If you were to achieve the same with your D940, you could get up to 3.96Ghz.

 

sammorris,

Well I guess we is gonna have to put it through it's paces and see what it can do. The D940 while faster than the D930, is not the top CPU in that series. That honor belongs to the D960 at 3.6GKz. I'm 2 below the top at 3.2 so I should have decent headroom, and with a quality Asus P5P800-SE MB and high quality memory it should rock!. I'm setting my sights on 3.7 to 3.8GHz!!! A minus to this MB is no SATA, but the CPU, voltage and memory adjustments are much better than any of the boards with SATA. I don't have SATA drives but I do have SATA connectors on my old MB so I won't be missing anything. This set-up has mostly all of the bells and whistles found on the newest MBs so it is very adjustable. I'm looking forward to the fun!!!

You know what! I've had it with this thread. There are 18 contributers to it including myself. It's time I unsubscribe and just drop in every once in a while like some others do, or when the mood strikes be. Ya'all know where to find me!!!

Happy Computering,
theonejrs

 

Heres an interesting shootout:
http://www.videoguys.com/DIY4.html

 

Have a look at this: AMD ZRAM??
Had'nt heard of this till now.
Sounds good.

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Jan/gee20060124034376.htm