Wanted to say thank you for the help. I have been using shrink in conjuntion with DVDD and cloneDVD2. Shink works great and for those hard to break css i use DVDD. CloneDVD2 allowes me to edit the movie to my liking. So far i haven't run into any DVD that i couldn't backup.
BigOrange, I know I'm asking you to hold my hand so to speak while I do this but hey that's what you're here for right?? Just kidding I take all of your comments as serious advice. Today I used your guide and DVD Decrypter and it ran nicely. Tried to use DVDD and Shrink but had problems trying to understand and follow the Quickie Shrink guide but that's probably because I still don't know what I'm doing! So I'm trying the DVDD and Recode 2 combination. If this doesn't work, I'll try the AnyDVD and Recode2 combination. Regarding this statement: "It wouldn't hurt to download and install either DVD Identifier or Dvdinfopro and check your media manufacturer out. Infopro has lots of other uses too. Both have free versions which is all you need." Which should I download? I don't want 2 programs doing the same thing, remember I'm the one looking for the "simple" method. Thanks, Mike
BigOrange, Pete, Craig, just finished my first burn and it failed. Guess that's not a new sentence for you guys to hear! I folowed Pete's excellent guide for using DVDD to Nero Recode 2 that he posted on page 1, have all the latests upgrades to Nero 6 Ultra Edition as well as the latest DVD Decrypter and Shrink 3.2 editions. The Nero Help Manual for Recode 2 is way out of date. It doesn't show the correct buttons and functions on their latest update. In fact in the current Recode2 Help Manual there's a paragraph about not recreating that particular help section and screens because they say nothing is different. That is NOT TRUE. The latest update is different. I don't know what the previous Recode2 looked like because I never used it, but the current one is different than their help manual/menu. I wish Nero would update their Help Manuals to match the updates, especially when they issue updates with added features. I used DVD Decrypter to do it's thing and as far as I could tell from my little knowledge it decrypted just like it's supposed to. Then I fired up Recode2, pointed it to the VIDEO_TS folder and Imported what I thought was the correct Menu, the one you'd see on any DVD where you see and click on Play and the movie starts. Then I imported the Main Movie Title. In Recode2 I checked the box for DTS 5.1 Channel English since my main player will play DTS, unchecked the regular Dolby 5.1 Channel English, there were also 2 Dolby Digital 2-Ch English selections that I also unchecked. I had the same settings for both the menu and the movie. Sometimes watching and sometimes not watching for the 45 minutes it took for Recode2 and Nero6 to Analyze, Encode and Burn it appeared everything went alright. No error messages, and at the end of the burn I got a Successful Burn sound indicator from Nero6. When it was finished I put it into my DVD-ROM to see what I'd created. Menu opened offering various programs to view the newly backed up DVD, I selected the Nero ShowTime program and let it go. The Play menu appeared complete with music but no functionality meaning pushing Play didn't do anything. At the end of that 35second menu when the movie started to automatically play I got a message from ShowTime that says "Due to patent restrictions the DVD-Video will be played without audio". I pushed the OK button and the movie plays beautifully with with no audio. I have the log from Recode2 and will post it in a seperate posting so you guys can look and see if you can tell what I did to create a "static" non functional menu and a movie with video but no audio. All help will be greatly appreciated. As always, thanks, Mike
Here's the log entry from Recode2. Please look at it guys and see if you can tell what I did wrong. I hope it truncates the long lines in the log. Thanks, Mike ********** Nero Recode 2 ********** Version: 2.1.1.24 Project type: Remake a DVD Target size: DVD5 (2282925) Burn settings: Target: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A Number of copies: 1 Write speed: 2770 KB/s Temp folder: D:\DAYAFTERTOMORROW (106433343488 bytes free) Direct burning: false Target media: DVD+R/RW, DVD-R/RW, DVD-RAM, DVD+R9 Double Layer Shutdown when finished: false Advanced Analysis: true Compress Adaptive: false 17:23:17 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 231 Compile DVD: init VTS_01 Title Vobs [72 vobus] 23.90MB -> 20.21MB [R 0.50] Video: 19.01MB, extra: 1.20MB Audio: 1 streams 0. 0. Dolby Digital 2-ch Unspecified 1.03MB [enabled] Subpicture: 1 streams 0. 0. Unspecified 0.03MB [enabled] VTS_02 Title Vobs [14246 vobus] 7086.06MB -> 4438.45MB [R 0.50] Video: 3725.36MB, extra: 713.09MB Audio: 6 streams 0. 0. Dolby Digital 5.1-ch English 401.82MB [disabled] 1. 1. DTS 5.1-ch English 680.76MB [enabled] 2. 2. Dolby Digital 2-ch French 172.39MB [disabled] 3. 3. Dolby Digital 2-ch Spanish 172.81MB [disabled] 4. 4. Dolby Digital 2-ch English 173.29MB [disabled] 5. 5. Dolby Digital 2-ch English 174.10MB [disabled] Subpicture: 4 streams 0. 0. English - Normal Captions 4.51MB [enabled] 1. 1. Spanish 4.26MB [disabled] 2. 2. French 1.09MB [disabled] 3. 3. Spanish 1.13MB [disabled] 17:23:17 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1153 Compile DVD: begin copy 1 17:23:18 File NeroRecorderBase.cpp, Line 448 Writing to disc: DVD-R 17:23:18 File NeroRecorderBase.cpp, Line 462 Free capacity on disc: 2286463 sectors (2298496) 17:23:18 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 685 Compile DVD: begin deep analysis 17:33:33 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 480 Compile DVD: burning 2286463 sectors (2282925 required) 17:33:33 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 657 Compile DVD: adjust target size to 4465.75MB (4465.75MB obtained) 17:33:33 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 525 Compiling DVD Volume started 17:33:36 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1059 Compile DVD: finished VTS_01 Title Vobs VTS_01 Title Vobs: Original 23.90MB -> Expected 20.08MB -> Output 20.08MB Finished error -0.00MB Ratio encoded = 72 Original encoded = 0 Slide encoded = 0 StillImage encoded = 0 Output extra size = 1.05MB Source video size = 22.85MB Pictures Modified [I 99] [P 25] [B 569] 17:36:14 File NeroRecorder.cpp, Line 589 Added extra file VTS_02_2.VOB 17:38:41 File NeroRecorder.cpp, Line 589 Added extra file VTS_02_3.VOB 17:41:23 File NeroRecorder.cpp, Line 589 Added extra file VTS_02_4.VOB 17:43:54 File NeroRecorder.cpp, Line 589 Added extra file VTS_02_5.VOB 17:44:26 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1059 Compile DVD: finished VTS_02 Title Vobs VTS_02 Title Vobs: Original 7086.06MB -> Expected 4445.49MB -> Output 4445.49MB Finished error -0.00MB Ratio encoded = 14228 Original encoded = 18 Slide encoded = 0 StillImage encoded = 0 Output extra size = 710.97MB Source video size = 5279.33MB Pictures Modified [I 15046] [P 5508] [B 114853] 17:44:28 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 548 Compile DVD: completed successfuly (4465.75MB) 17:44:28 File NeroRecorderBase.cpp, Line 1015 Burning 12 files with total size of 4682674176 bytes on hard disk 17:44:28 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1153 Compile DVD: begin copy 1 Windows XP 5.1 IA32 WinAspi: - ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 5:35:34 PM Nero API version: 6.6.0.5 Using interface version: 6.3.1.11 Installed in: C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\ Application: Ahead\Nero Recode Recorder: <SONY DVD RW DRU-710A> Version: BY02 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.5 Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1 Drive buffer : 2048kB Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI === Scsi-Device-Map === DiskPeripheral : ST340014A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On DiskPeripheral : WDC WD1200LB-00EDA0 atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On CdRomPeripheral : SONY DVD RW DRU-710A atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On CdRomPeripheral : JLMS XJ-HD166S atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On === CDRom-Device-Map === SONY DVD RW DRU-710A E: CDRom0 JLMS XJ-HD166S F: CDRom1 ======================= AutoRun : 1 Excluded drive IDs: WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte ShowDrvBufStat : 0 BUFE : 0 Physical memory : 1023MB (1048048kB) Free physical memory: 596MB (610368kB) Memory in use : 41 Uncached PFiles: 0x0 Use Inquiry : 1 Global Bus Type: default (0) Check supported media : Disabled (0) 5.2.2005 NeroAPI 5:44:28 PM #1 Phase 112 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 DVD-Video files reallocation started 5:44:28 PM #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified) 5:44:28 PM #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 DVD-Video files sorted 5:44:28 PM #4 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127 Reader running 5:44:28 PM #5 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122 Writer SONY DVD RW DRU-710A running 5:44:28 PM #6 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3286 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000) 5:44:28 PM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3286 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000) 5:44:28 PM #8 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3155 Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media 5:44:29 PM #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 257 Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB) Last address to be written: 2286857 (508:11.32, 4466MB) 5:44:29 PM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 269 Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD) 5:44:29 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2310 Recorder: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A, Media type: DVD-R Disc Manufacturer: TAIYOY - UDEN Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193 5:44:29 PM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 431 >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<< ========================================= 5:44:29 PM #13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 829 Setup items (after recorder preparation) 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 () 2 indices, index0 (150) not provided original disc pos #0 + 2287008 (2287008) = #2287008/508:13.33 relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2287008 blocks [SONY DVD RW DRU-710A] -------------------------------------------------------------- 5:44:29 PM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1042 Prepare recorder [SONY DVD RW DRU-710A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO DAO infos: ========== MCN: "" TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated Tracks 1 to 1: 1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4683792384, ISRC "" DAO layout: =========== __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________ 0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00 0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00 0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00 2287008 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00 5:44:29 PM #15 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 Caching of files started 5:44:29 PM #16 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4042 Cache writing successful. 5:44:29 PM #17 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 Caching of files completed 5:44:29 PM #18 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 Burn process started at 2x (2,770 KB/s) 5:44:29 PM #19 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2604 Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0 5:44:29 PM #20 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2260 Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode 5:44:29 PM #21 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 21060 Set BUFE: Power-Burn -> ON , Adapt writespeed to disc : ON 5:44:29 PM #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2401 Start write address at LBA 0 DVD high compatibility mode: Yes 5:44:29 PM #23 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8332 ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ---- Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050 Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5 Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h) Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW) End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h Media Specific [16..63]: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 5:44:29 PM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5286 Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A Book Type request: DVD-ROM Book Type setting not supported for the loaded disc type 5:44:44 PM #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1284 17:44:44.187 - SONY DVD RW DRU-710A\H1 T0 : Queue again later 6:13:53 PM #26 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116 <SONY DVD RW DRU-710A > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2287008 (22E5A0h), lenght 0 blocks 6:13:53 PM #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228 all writers idle, stopping conversion 6:13:53 PM #28 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2642 EndDAO: Last written address was 2287007 6:14:33 PM #29 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5286 Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A Book Type request: DVD+R Book Type setting not supported for the loaded disc type 6:14:33 PM #30 Phase 37 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 Burn process completed successfully at 2x (2,770 KB/s) Existing drivers: File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.02.47a, size=17136 bytes, created 1/3/2003 2:02:00 AM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K) File 'Drivers\InCDfs.SYS': Ver=4, 3, 11, 1, size=99456 bytes, created 1/3/2005 11:33:44 AM (InCD4 driver for win NT/2K/XP) File 'Drivers\InCDpass.SYS': Ver=4, 3, 11, 1, size=28928 bytes, created 1/3/2005 11:33:24 AM (InCD4 driver for win NT/2K/XP) File 'Drivers\InCDrec.SYS': Ver=4, 3, 11, 1, size=8704 bytes, created 1/3/2005 11:33:46 AM (InCD4 driver for win NT/2K/XP) Registry Keys: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option) 18:14:37 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 300 Compile DVD: exit
One other things guys, most all the time when I click on one of the links you encorporate such as to the Ritek web site for good disks, or even to the ScubaPete web site for the great guides, I constantly get redirected to http://media.fastclick.net/w/get.media?sid=9388&m=5&url=http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/ So I shut down the redirected window, which puts me back to this AfterDawn forum, the link I've just clicked on clearly shows the media.fastclick.net web site above. So I hit Refresh, the media.fastclick.net URL goes away, I click on the link again and finally go to the URL I'm supposed to be at. I also get an enormous amount of pop-up windows on this web site, and yes I have service pack 2 and pop up blocker is activated. Any ideas about those 2 issues? 3 more pop-up windows just trying to log in so that I can add this big of information! The movie I tried to back-up is The Day After Tomorrow, probably on double layer disk because there were far more Menues and Extras than any Guide accounts for. I followed Pete's excellent Guide for DVD D to Nero Recode2 that he posted on page 1. Thanks, Mike
Hi Mike, As far as the "fastclick" stuff - I spoke with the admins about all the problems I had and the amount of "Data Miners" it left in my PC for Ad-aware to clean up and they assured me they were all harmless. They said it was necessary for the advertisers to track activity on the site. For the "fast-click" stuff, go to the upper right corner and click "Skip" to go to the desired site. We deal with what we're stuck with. If you have any questions, let me know - better they get pissed with me than you for asking questions - Pple don't much like questions around here - Pete
Mike, re: your log It looks fairly good to me except here - Try another disc to see if that does the trick - Pete
Pete, thanks for BOTH messages! I give a whole new meaning to the word newbie! Regarding the Book type, I didn't set it at any time during the entire process. I don't even know when or where to set it. I used DVDD per the Guide and fumbled through Recode2 using the User Manual that Ahead has posted and it's for a previous version that doesn't match up in several places with the latest Recode2 version. In the log I posted I just noticed 2 places where it indicates incorrect Book Type: 5:44:29 PM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5286 Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A Book Type request: DVD-ROM Book Type setting not supported for the loaded disc type 6:14:33 PM #29 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5286 Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A Book Type request: DVD+R Book Type setting not supported for the loaded disc type Then several places that it correctly references Book Type DVD-R which is the type of disk that was in my Sony burner. I used a Fuji DVD-R which is what I use in my DMR-HS2 all the time and they give a great finished product. Is Book Type the type of DVD that's loaded in the burner? Or is it something I set in Nero6 at some point before or during the burn process? When or where do I set that? OR are you saying that it's the manufacturer of the disk that caused the problem? What about my problem getting a non-functional menu item? I might as well have not included it in the burn, it function at all. In played then went right into the movie without me doing anything. Do you guys include a usable Play menu in your back-ups? If so, to what purpose? I know that's alot of questions in one paragraph but it's everything that I can think of to ask at once. I'll try another burn right now and post the results. After using DVDD, switching to Recode2 and telling it which files to burn, then hitting Burn the entire rest of the process was automatic. Recode2 and Nero6 worked by themselves. The Recode2 and Nero6 process took approximately 47 minutes to burn this coaster. Thanks, Mike
Mike, as Craig mentioned to me earlier he has been seeing a few people post problems about Nero Recode 2 burning files from DVDDecrypter. Try using DVDShrink and go to the I/O Options and have it automatically burn using Nero. That works like a charm for me. It takes about 45 mins to an hour for each movie, but that has worked perfectly for me so far.
Jay, thanks for the advice. My problem is that I'm having a difficult time understanding how Shrink works. The guides I've read, printed and followed don't seem to work for me. Everybody else seems to be a whiz at using Shrink 3.2.0.15 but it's very confusing to me. Maybe I was just born stupid!! I've printed the appropriate guides from ScubaPete's web site, but some of them either don't fit the program or what I see when I open the programs, or the directions to changing options on the tabs don't match. I have the latest versions of DVDD and Shrink installed. SCUBAPETE - my comment above isn't meant to be a nasty crack about your guides, they're great. So it must be ME thats stupid OR I'm doing something wrong. I hope I didn't offend you!! Right now I'm using Fuji DVD-R's to burn to as I have plenty of them. I'll switch to DVD+RW's for practice burning, but those won't work as my "final burn" product. My primary and only DVD player, the Panasonic DMR-HS2 only reads DVD-R and DVD-RAM disks. That's where the Ritek disks will come in, BUT I want to get the ripping, burning process down pat before I start using those. I hope the helpful friendly guys that helped EMTJay are still hanging out in this message thread, I'd certainly welcome their help and advice. Thanks guys, Mike
Hi Tallguy53(Mike), The BookType setting can be controlled from the OPTIONS window for the recorder. In Nero Express this is located at the end in the 'Final Burn' window, where you will see the options button located next to the drop down box where you select your model recorder. In Nero Burning ROM this is located under Recorder->Choose Recoder window and the OPTIONS button located there. By default, we have it set to change the BookType to DVD-ROM for best playback compatibility on DVD Players. Your excerpts from the Nero log file only indicated that the Sony Recorder did not support changing the bookType for that brand of media. So it would have remained a DVD-R BookType. This should not cause a 'coaster', though some DVD Players may indeed have trouble playing the disc. Any DVD-ROM player or DVD Recorder on your computer should not have that issue. To truly see what is going on, we would need to see the full Nero log file from the write attempt to see if there were other error messages that could lend a clue as to what is not occurring properly. Regards, Craig Nero Inc USA
Hey Guys..Thanks for your help when i was just beginning to burn my DVD's! Ive successfully burned a few of them and the results are outrageously exciting! My question this time is how am i able to delete Nero so that when i download it again, it will allow me to use the trial version once more. Is there a way to do so? Cannot afford to buy it right now but definitely will in the future.. also any other good dvd burning software thats free and as simple as Nero? .....................:::Thanks:::......................
AudiRacer, just use Add and Remove program feature under Control Panel. You can also use Nero Clean tools to competely remove all remnants in the registry.
Craig, Thanks a bunch for telling me where to find the Book Set option, obviously I haven't looked at all the settings for Nero 6 Ultra Edition. When I use Nero6 to back up my documents, movie clips, pictures, etc., I use the default settings without any problems. Since making DVD backups is a little more tricky I don't want to change anything other than what you guys tell me I need to change to burn a good back-up and not another coaster. Just purchased my first Ritek 100 pack of G08 8x DVD-R's from Meritline.com so those are on the way. I'll remember not to burn over 4x as advised by all. Since I don't have any of those right now, I'm going to use another Fuji -R and try to back-up the movie I,Robot. I printed out every guide ScubaPete has on his web site plus a lengthy one from DVDRHelp.com I'm going to try the DVDD and Shink combination and will post my results. That didn't work our too well, now I'll try the Shrink to Nero Guide from Pete's web site and post results. If anybody has anymore tips and pointers PLEASE SEND them my way! Thanks again guys for your help, Mike
bigorange, i have tried using the control panel remove feature but it wont allow me to download it again. Do i also have to download the application from internet again? Because i did that as well. I don't know how to use Nero clean to remove from registry. Can you explain please? ...........:::Thanks:::.............
OK, here's the URL for clean tools. http://www.ahead.de/us/Utilities.html Make sure you use the Nero 6 download, not nero 5. Then install and run following the prompts. Then go back to Nero trial version of Ultra 6 and download and install all 3 packs. You're good for another month. It's best to do this at the beginning of the month since it's only good for that month, not 30 days from the install. The following month you must do it all over again. It is a bit of a hassle, but considering you're getting an entire suite of audio and video apps for free as long as you wish, it's not too bad. I highly recommend purchasing Ultra 6 when you can afford it. It's one of my favorite programs. Good luck :>)
bigorange, i tried using the clean tool after deleting Nero and its exe application for installation. It worked fine. When i downloaded the Nero 6 from this site again, it didnt work, gave me demo expired message again. I dont know what i am doing wrong. I made sure i was using the Nero 6 clean tool too. ..................::Thanks::.....................
It sounds like registry remnants are remaining, or nero has changed their trial. Have you tried Registry Checker and DriverClean Tool? It's under the nero clean tools. Try contacting Nero to see if they have changed their trial period and I will see if i can contact Craig with Nero. he will know.
I like the title of this thread. In answer, it must be yes. All those posts on here must have been about something.
tallguy53 Just a thought... Did you try this without unchecking any of the English audio to see what happens? Does your player needs to be setup for DTS first or does your player default to one of the other audio preferences?
