is this a good pc to buy?

Discussion in 'PC hardware help' started by redice, Apr 20, 2006.

  1. aabbccdd

    aabbccdd Guest

    also a AMD processor would be less expensive than Intel and better preformance.

    do you have a local PC shop around? that can do one for you.

    your always better off building a system than buying a box system ,save your money for a little while and get what you want you will be much happier in the long run belive me
     
  2. pcrepair

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    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?BB-L630512
    this is about $400
    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-66GTE
    this is about $120
    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?MAX-PS230Y
    this is about $100
    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SON-DWG12B
    this is about $40
    put it all together don't overclock it and it will work great
    umm you could use the windows disc that came with your 'old' computer till you can afford to buy the new o/s thats due out soon
     
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  3. sammorris

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    I have some writing to do.
    Firstly, avoid Pentium Ds, they're rubbish processors, especially the 920. They may get a lot faster with dual core optimisation, but for now they're very slow and they use phenomenal amounts of electricity and run very hot. Athlon64s (or better still Athlon64 X2s) are far better chips.

    Unlike, pollution I did get the second link to work, but you'd be best off with the first for DVD backups. You'd probably want 1GB of RAM though, not 512. I disagree with the crappy statement, but you can indeed find better value PCs if you build one yourself or buy one from a wholesaler.

    If you can home build a PC, that's great, you'll save yourself a fortune. As long as you follow all the instructions, there's little that you can do wrong. Don't worry, failures involving nasty component failures are 95% of the time faulty stuff, very rarely builder error.

    Stick with us and you can't go wrong! ;-)

    I'd personally do this:

    Athlon64 3200+ (Socket 939)
    Asus A8N-E Motherboard
    1024MB Single Module Corsair Value Select PC3200 RAM
    250GB Samsung Spinpoint S-ATA 8MB Buffer Hard disk
    High quality (e.g. Antec, enermax, zalman, seasonic) 500W PSU
    ATI Radeon X800GTO Graphics
    LG DVD writer

    At newegg, this lot:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145310
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822152025
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102684
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103936
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827136064
    COmes to $673. This may be slightly above 700 once you've chosen a case (get one without a PSU fitted, I've added a better one in that list) but not by much, and will run everything very well.
     
  4. pollution

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    @sammorris,
    I agree on the AMD X2 processor. I have the 3800+ X2 and it can compress a 8GB dvd to 4.3GB in ~7 minutes with dvd shrink after having a disc image on my hard drive. Dvd shrink maxes out both cores when compressing.
    But why would you not go with two sticks of 512MB RAM for a total of 1GB with a lower timing?
    Also, wouldn't he want raid 0 for faster trasfer time to and from the hard drive?
     
  5. sammorris

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    RAID0 gets complicated, introduces reliability problems and generally boxes you in with what you want to do with your data. I find it best avoided, despite the fact that I use it (partly due to that reason as well, I haven't enjoyed the experience).
    A single stick of memory just allows for upgrading more, that's all. Dual channel may work better, but you can get low latency RAM in either form.
     
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    @sammorris,
    My brother is going to be buying a computer soon and he wants to do video editing and music editing. I planned on setting up raid 0 but you would suggest no raid?
     
  7. redice

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    @sammorris

    Thats look like a great pc but i was wondering is s-ata beter then ata? also what would be a good case to put all this in?

    @aabbccdd

    i do believe i have a few around me and i was thinking about looking into that.

    @pcrepair

    thans for the build. However i'm not in the uk i'm in the usa.





     
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  8. aabbccdd

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    redice , go with sammorris advice on parts which you can buy online get you a good case and price out at your local PC shop for the labor ,should only be around two hours at the most then you have a kickass machine that will blow away the first one you posted without speeding much more money and you can also upgrade down the road, this is def. your best option!!! our service is free of course lol!!
     
  9. sammorris

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    Pollution: No RAID would probably be better.
    Aabbccdd: Yep Yep Yep Yep to all of that!
    Redice: S-ATA is better and faster than traditional IDE/PATA and look for the NZXT trinity or Raidmax Cobra.
     
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    What exactly are the problems when you run raid 0?
     
  11. sammorris

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    well, although RAID0 is up to 90% faster than using the drives separately, firstly, if one drive fails, all data is lost. Secondly, the RAID array is controller specific in most cases, so if you take your two or more drives to a different mobo, chances are it won't work, and thirdly you need software to run the operation, and of course if anything happens to that software for whatever reason, you can't use your RAID array unless it's reinstated - a bit tricky if your OS is on it.
     
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    So, if i was going to run raid 0 i will have 3 hard drives. 1 that is by itself with the OS on it so it is a stable system, and the other 2 on raid 0 to transfer information super fast. Would that be a good idea?
     
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  13. sammorris

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    It's what I did, and as long as you're not changing motherboards any time soon, will work just fine, but of course the data reliability issue still exists (though to be honest, if one drive fails in normal mode you still lose half your data, so I don't really see much of a difference)
     
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    @sammorris

    is this a good case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811146015 to put all of this in?
    Athlon64 3200+ (Socket 939)
    Asus A8N-E Motherboard
    1024MB Single Module Corsair Value Select PC3200 RAM
    250GB Samsung Spinpoint S-ATA 8MB Buffer Hard disk
    High quality (e.g. Antec, enermax, zalman, seasonic) 500W PSU
    ATI Radeon X800GTO Graphics
    LG DVD writer
     
  15. sammorris

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    If you were to ask me what case without stating an example, I would have said that one. That's exactly the case I recommend to people. Fabulous stuff, well done!
     
  16. redice

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    ok thanks sammorris
    i also happened to be looking around and found this pchttp://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=999953500050005&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01173&id=pcmprd53700050005 with all most the same same things that you said i should use it i build it.( i know if i build it. it would be better?)
    what do u think about it?
     
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    Yes alright, be patient, I'm in the UK and go to school, so I'm only really able to reply to posts from 5pm here (mid-day on your east coast, add or subtract the relevant hours!)

    Let's take that PC point by point:
    Good start, very powerful CPU.

    Ample for most things until Vista arrives, so yep, still doing well.

    No problem here either.

    Tick.
    Tick.
    Here's where the problems start. The 6100 is an integrated graphics chip, and thus utterly inappropriate for gaming. Most off the shelf PCs have poor graphics cards, since they assume people don't play games. It will do fine for watching movies and playing mp3s, but for games that's a big no no.

    I don't know much about BTX but it sounds worringly non-upgradeable, so you might want to be careful about that.

    An Average monitor, but when you're ordering from best buy, why not buy the one you want rather than being locked in with the one with the bundle?

    All fine really, good printer, nice to have surge protector included.

    Overall, the PC is OK, but you'll desperately need to upgrade the graphics card, so why not get one with a decent card to start with?
     
  19. redice

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    ok thanks sammorris

    so i see that computer is ok but i happened to stop by a local area pc shop in my area that does custom builds computer. so heres what i was going to was take in the list of the parts you gave me and see what they will charge me to do it, but was wondering is howe fast will i be able to back up a dvd using the Athlon64 3200+( which is 2.0ghz)? also would 3.0 ghz be faster or will it be about the same?
    is this a good monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824104001 ?
     
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  20. sammorris

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    3Ghz? What's this? You haven't made that clear. That monitor looks OK, but LCD monitors shouldn't really still be suffering from dead pixels, that's poor. Noticeable or not, it speaks volumes about the quality of manufacture, and more importantly QC. 19" LCDs should really be costing more than that.
     

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