Lets Paint The Kettle Black (2) Do You Have A Bitch ? Put On Your Rubbers And Wade In.

Bond's ball needs to be incinerated. And everyone that he hits thereafter, until the steroids render him unplayable.

Hank Aaron is still the Home Run King and not a disgrace to the game.

 

I don't like baseball. Heck, I don't like any professional sport for that matter. The majority are just in it for the money and not the love of the game these days.

College B-Ball, in my opinion, is where its at. Lots of guys who are good enough to get into the NBA so they are really good but they don't have any crazy salary or any of the other B.S. that seems to taint people.

Sure, even College level sports don't have the cleanest record but I enjoy watching College stuff a whole lot more then the "Pros" level.

Peace

 

No...I understand the steroid issue is a disgrace...However Ty Cobb was a notorious Speed Freak...should all his records be whipped out...

The Grand Old Era wasn't Clean by any means...Its only nostalgia that makes it appear that way...The Drugs were different but they were still used...and Performance Enhancing...

I remember when they didn't want to recognize Hanks record...they wanted to put an * next to it...what if some Idiot had bought Arron's Ball for a publicity stunt and desecrated it...

The Record is...Like it or Not...The Ball is...Like it or Not...To display it at Coopertown...with an *...Is an Insult to Every Baseball Player and Fan...Just watch there will be a Backlash against this...If it happens...

 

Speed is hardly a performance enhancing drug like steroids. Women have taken it for the longest as a diet drug and the illegal use is to keep a person hyper. Truckers use it to stay awake. So, if Cobb was addicted, that doesn't place a stigma over the game like steroid usage has.

There's already "backlash" from both points of view on the Bonds' record. Even if one of the old time greats was a speed freak, the whole game wasn't tainted the way it is now. Nobody is likely to change their mind because of a post on this forum. There will continue to be those who accept the new record, and the purists who look on it as a steroid enhanced record. Didn't the "Babe" drink a lot of brew. He probably had the "brew record". LOL I doubt the disagreement on the new Bond's record will go away til someone breaks it and can prove no steroids were used.

 

A father asked his 10-year old son if he knew about the birds and the bees.

"I don't want to know," the child said, bursting into tears.. "Promise me you won't tell me."

Confused, the father asked what was wrong.

The boy sobbed, "When I was six, I got the 'There's no Easter Bunny' speech.
At seven, I got the 'There's no Tooth Fairy' speech.
When I was eight, you hit me with the 'There's no Santa' speech.
If you're going to tell me that grown-ups don't really get laid, I'll have nothing left to live for."

 

I haven't watched a baseball game in over 20 years. Boring!

 

I happen to disagree with that..

The Issue isn't Steroids...it is...The Desecration of a Historical Object...

First off I Hate Baseball...Not a Fan of any Sport that routinely has a score of 1 to 0...way to boring for me...

This is about respect for all people...Not just those who are truly devoted Fans and the Players...I guarantee the Player would not agree with doing this to the Ball...

Once it is Branded...The Ball becomes a Statement...For Cooperstown to say that "this is a Great Thing" because it means they "get the Ball" is a Disgrace to All those Players that are In-shrined in the Hall of Fame...

This goes beyond Baseball...This in the longer view of History...Is a travesty that Will be seen as a Disgrace to Baseball...the Players...the Fans of the Sport...and the Nation as a Whole...

This is someone who is taking away a Historical Object...Destroying the Object...and the Meaning behind it...For a Publicity Stunt...Nothing More...and that is Wrong in my Opinion...

 

Tell me that now? So when I when I take a few of my wifes diet pills and wash them down with a beer or 2 before I go onstage to play drums, its the placebo effect that makes everything slow down and myself speed up?

 

First of all, I also hate baseball, just too boring.

Has Bonds been convicted of using steriods, or at least, been found using steriods. Has the "right" to be innocent until proven guilty been abolished, or is that another "right" been taken away, also?

BTW, I could care less about his record, but I do care about our rights.

 

@Gerry1,
my favorite "borrowed" social security number incident involved one of our employees who got tagged for child support. 50% of his check went to the state, when he complained they showed him the garnishment order, and explained to him that if he wasn't who he said he was, they were going to call INS. He shut up and worked for a year before quitting, sad but true.

 

wow...i'm 2 inches away from going off on such a foul-mouthed rant about immigration. >.<

 

sorry, ddp. you know i wouldn't spew something like that on the forums. i've got to help the girl study for her archeology exam, anyway.

 

The effect is to make you hyper and willing to expend more energy. You'll have a tendency to run full speed till you drop. It doesn't make you stronger like steroids do. It's the body mass and power of the swing that sends the ball out of the park, not being hyper and willing to run full speed longer. Ruth and Aaron are the players with the big bats, not Cobb. So, speed didn't make a homerun record holder out of Cobb. There's no taint to Ruth's and Aaron's records. Most of the "big bats" of the current era are all questionable and it isn't speed.

Neverhap
It's not a court of law. Bonds has been implicated and that physique of his looks like the poster child for steroid use. Look at Bonds' early career photos and those now. Using your logic, OJ was innocent (he's back in the news). The preponderance of evidence convicted him in civil court.

Lp531
Aaron's record and problems were racially motivated, not a question of drugs. The early black players are now being given more credit and their place in history. Not as much as they should, records were lost and sadly the leagues were segregated. Aaron helped break barriers and was the unquestioned record holder with an untainted record. You can't say it's racism with Bond's because the record was held by another black player. There's nothing to do with Bonds' tainted record other than steroid use. I can't say for sure Bond's is guilty of steroid use, but everything points to it. It will always be a tainted record.

As for the ball, it will always have a tainted history, whether it's branded or not, in Cooperstown or not. There are those who think having the ball in Cooperstown is an insult to the game and those who agree with you. As I mentioned, neither faction will ever agree. I sorta liked the idea of shooting the ball into space with a rocket. LOL That would be paying universal homage to the ultimate roid swing (pun intended).

I suppose a hundred years down the road steroid use may be acceptable, or the current situation forgotten. In that case no one would care about the scandal surrounding Bonds' record. A kid could walk into Cooperstown and say "Wow, what a champ" and not realize the scandal. Frankly, I think the whole thing should be remembered. If they're going to have records, keep the game clean enough that they mean something. This record only raised more disagreement in a game that can ill afford more scandal. I think the record ball is holding a shotgun seat to the scandal. I don't care if the ball is in Cooperstown or not, or whether it's branded or not. I'm just saying the situation smells either way.

 

@pacman777
This is not about steroids...
This is not about Tainted or Untainted Records...
This is not about Drugs...

This is about respect for People and the Game...and the complacent and approved desecration of the Ball by the Baseball Hall of Fame...

Ecko has the Right to buy the Ball...He has the Right to Brand it...However...The Hall of Fame...should have respected the Players that are Inducted into the Hall of Fame...and Refused the Ball if it Branded with the *...The Baseball Players are already coming out and expressing "there Disgust with the Hall of Fame"...and they are Right in Doing So...

You are missing the point that I was trying to make...So I will repeat myself...

 

@ddp

You're watching this one closely huh? Took you all of 17min to respond to Aus. I was hoping for the rant. LMAO

 

Is that true, there was civil court action against him, or are you talking "public court"? If you are talking "public court", then he's innocent until proven guilty, at least, that's the way it used to be, has it changed?

 

@Garmoon, Aus, Bilvet etc ... I like your suggestions! Coming from a family of immigrants, it sometimes gets personal. My Dad and Uncles had to "earn" the rights of citizenship by fighting shoulder to shoulder with Americans against the Japanese in WWII; my father made it through o.k. and one of his brothers was seriously wounded. A couple of their friends died. The notion of just giving away citizenship really goes against the grain with my family and a lot of other immigrant families.

As it applies to my job, its the usual government fubar; because of confidentiality laws, I can't release the names of illegals who, in this day and age, could be dangerous. I once had a client who witnessed a double murder and knew the people who commited the murders but the law wouldn't allow me to release her name unless SHE had told me that SHE murdered them.

 

My bitch is one of those bad new / good news things:

1. The bad news: some jerk on a bicycle came up from behind, hit me on the side and sent me flying on my a$$ (again). I'm still kind of sore.

2. The good new is something I've fantasized about but never did: as I was falling, I guess I had a lot of force on my cane to catch myself and it went right through the spokes of his rear wheel and he went flying over the handle bars onto his belly! I always wanted to do that because it happens too often and it pisses me off to no end but all I need is to have the jerk land on his head and fracture his skull so I never did it. Fortunately that didn't happen but his belly and left side looked like hamburger ... stupid little sh@%!