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Discussion in 'Building a new PC' started by dazila, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    I used the word approximately because the benchmark tests for late games like Crysis aren't fully comprehensive. However, what I do is I work out roughly how good the cards all are compared to each other here (say I find out the 2600XT is 0.83x as fast as an 8600GTS)
    http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html
    then use those figures to calculate roughly how fast the card will perform in recent games by using this article:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/12/geforce_8800_gts_512_mb/
    So even though the 2600XT doesn't feature in this benchmark suite, I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that the 2600XT will perform 0.8-0.85 as well as the 8600GTS in those tests.
     
  2. dazila

    dazila Regular member

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    Just found this card looks Ok as you said its good, its within my budget not the best but is it any good , ? Xpertvision 256MB Geforce 8600GT GDDR-3 128bit PCI-E 16x?
     
  3. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    Get the 2600XT, it's better.
     
  4. dazila

    dazila Regular member

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    Well Im finalising now and I have chosen to go with the 8500GT Super 512mb card, the thing that brought me back to it is my monitor right now is only 15" CRT and i will use it until I save up for an LCD so thinking there is no need for running high resolutions which will give better framerate, all of the other cards like 8600 and Hd2600 are all average cards too so why should I waste 50-60au more when I could have this 8500GT a bit slower but in a few weeks get something like a Hd3870 :D, and one thing that took me to this card is that I have seen it in action and I dont mind with what I saw like those numbers might be lower then others but..., run a game like Pro Street at 1024x768 everything on high it should run smooth because ive seen it run Pro Street at 2 resolutions above 1280x960 I think, with a couple of hick ups but as soon as he lowered it down one (One above 1024x768) it ran practically smooth, Yes I do belive you 100% with EVERY single thing you said and I have listened to one of the Motherboards one of you recommended me the Gigabyte, but with the GPU im happy with what I have seen and I will sort of belive that more then what FPS counts tell me.
    But buying this card now instead of wasting 60au for a few extra frames could get me a HD3870 eariler.
    But Big Thanks and I will reply as soon as I get it to tell you what I think, who knows I might like it less then my old Pentium 3 :p
     
  5. abuzar1

    abuzar1 Senior member

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    No don't get it. I'm sure you can get a X1650 pro for cheaper and that performs better. Save your self some money.
     
  6. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    "A bit slower" = half as fast.
    Why even bother buying a graphics card now if it can't play any games?
     
  7. dazila

    dazila Regular member

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    Well aslong is dosent lag I wouldnt care if it was a 1/4 of its power, im not hugely addicted to FPS by that I mean aslong as it does enough to run above my eye seeing studers and it fully lagging it is fine, I saw pro street run at that level I was happy even if that was running at 20fps which I dont know then I must have been happy with it all Im saying is to me it dosent matter wheter its 26 or 50fps as long as it dosent lag.
    And All im planning is to get a few racing games which will keep me until the English Gt5 Prologue on Ps3 comes out I doubt I will run a game on it for atleast a month after this happend :p
     
  8. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    Hehe, I too am looking forward to GT5. I'm not buying a PS3 just for the prologue though, I'll wait until the full version comes out before I fork out that much money!
    The 8500GT can run new racing games like Test Drive Unlimited and NFS Pro Street, but only on minimum detail levels at low resolutions like 1024x768 - so yeah it'll run ok, but it'll just look crap.
    Additionally, owning a GT Force 3, I'll probably persuade myself to upgrade to a Driving Force Pro or G25, more monies, and then there's the question that I don't actually own an HDTV. I'll have to either make a PS3 the fourth console to share my rather busy two-SCART CRT TV or upgrade to a 3008WFP, which is serious money indeed.
     
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    But I dont see why Pro Street Ran smoothly then on that 8500GT super, I was the one turning everything to max and done a run on closed circuit with crowds etc and at the reso above 1024x768 it was running smooth unless the Super version gives a little extra performance?
     
  10. sammorris

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    Nah, overclocked graphics cards make no difference to the performance, not the factory-overclocked ones anyway. I guess your interpretation of smooth differs to mine.
     
  11. dazila

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    Well maybe :D, since your smooth is maybe 60+fps mine is 20+fps.
    I have also played call of duty 4 on this card, and Crysis, COD4 ran nice on high at 1024x768, CRysis ran well maybe 13fps on mediumish his system specs anyways are:

    Intel Core 2 Extreme E6850 3ghz
    2gb 800mhz DDR2
    Xpertvision 8500GT Super 512mb
    Asus MB
    320gb SATA HDD
    Dvd Burner
    750W PSU
    Ageia PhysX card
     
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    WOW, I can DEFINITELY see a stutter at 13 FPS!

    He seriously got that much on COD4 on high?
     
  13. dazila

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    No I was talkign about crysis, COD 4 ran fine - the massive explosions which sometimes dropped the FPS but when shooting with alot of people it ran fine.
    I dont know but it just dosent seem liek this card performs as low as you say thats the only thing because Yes I do reliase lag I always see it :D, but it runs new games pretty descent but in no way does this 8500 compare to a 7300 like ive heard people say.
     
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    No the 8500 is more like the 7600GS.
     
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    That sounds sort of right besides it useless support of DX10 I cans eriously admitt on that from what I have seen it runs just like the HD2600XT and 8600 DX10 things at about 5-11fps LOL!
     
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    haha it's nothing like the 8600GT. Yes they're both useless for DX10 but in DX9 the 8600 is significantly better.
     
  17. sammorris

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    The 8600GT is about 80% faster, the 2600XT is about 120% faster, the 8600GTS is about 160% faster, so any of them are nearly double as fast, if not more so.
    Seems funny to think that all the money he wasted on the useless PhysX accelerator is the difference between that awful 8500GT and an HD3850.
    One bad decision has crippled his PC's gaming performance.
     
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    Wait the Physics accelerator screwed up his performance?
     
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    sammorris Senior member

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    No but it doesn't do anything! The money he wasted on that could have been spent buying an HD3850 instead of the 8500...
     

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