Nvidia vs ATI

Seems to me every time someone says the X800 is better than the Nvidia 6800, people either say nothing or agree. When someone says the Nvidia 6800 is better than the X800 that's when People are quick to defend the ATI...Just seems like ATI is more popular. Seems like the Nvidia 6800 is the better card though, if it's going to be around longer and doing everything the X800 can do right now, and will be doing things the X800 won't be able to do in the future. But again, the 6800 doesn't have the cool box the video card comes in like the ATI series does...I think ATI is alot of hype, not saying they don't make great cards, but People believe if ATI's names on the box then it has to be good. Not always, I bet both companys make crappy cards...But damn to own the cardboard box the ATI comes in, Now that's excitement....LOL

 

Nvidia doesn't make video cards? since when? Is it Gforce then?

 

Praetor...Just kidding about the boxes. I was just trying to prove a point..People sometimes buy something because it has a cool looking box or package it comes in, hell the product may even look cool. I'm just saying ATI is hyped up a bit ya know. Nvidia is just a str8 performer, no hype just quality product. I'm not saying ATI isn't quality it surely is, but if the 9800 series cards are beating out the X600, I would say they may be slipping up a little. Just hate when People talk crap about Nvidia..Get tired of always hearing ATI this ATI that....I mean come on.

 

i get £270 for xmas, im going to buy a Hightech/Connect 3D/Hercules X800XT. im not going to pay the extra £60 for a 6800!

 

Kenshi Manabe, senior vice president of Sony Computer Entertainment Semiconductor division, said the Playstation 3 will need memory with incredibly high speed and tens-of-gigahertz bandwidth. "I'm not sure that even what we have seen for DDR-II on the present (industry) memory roadmaps will be high enough performance for us."

Okay back to this topic. The ol Computer Vs Game machine. Sounds like PS3 is gonna be spanking some Computer @sses

 

While Playstaion 3 processor's design is still under wraps, the companies say Cell's capabilities will allow it to deliver one trillion calculations per second (teraflop) or more of floating-point calculations. It will have the ability to do north of 1 trillion mathematical calculations per second, roughly 100 times more than a single Pentium 4 chip running at 2.5GHz. IBM entered the dual-processor core market with the Power4, the first server processor to use a multiple-core design. Power4 pairs two 64-bit PowerPC cores on the same processor, linked by a high-speed communications pathway.

Kinda a kick in the balls isn't it...HA HA

 

Checked it out on a Playstation 3 web-site.

 

I seen news of an Ati Radeon X800 GT. My thoughts are that it has been released already as X800Pro cards that have the laser cut and are able to have the extra 4 piplines unlocked. Reason I think so is that the core and memory clock speeds are supposed to be the same as the Pro but with 16 pipes. Maybe the bios of this card could come in handy for people who tried the hardmod and had no success.

 

Whats better, an: FX 5950 Ultra or ATI Radeon 9800XT . Both using 256 DDR memory.

 

Praetor the PS3 isn't a machine that is the future 2-3 years from now. The PS3 was sold in Japan just recently, but the system had problems so they pulled it from the shelves. The PS3 will be arriving sometime in 2005 in the USA, which isn't to far off. I very much doubt within the next year or so the PC is going to advance itself to be 100 times faster than a 2.5ghz Pentium Processor, I know Computers advanced quickly, but not that quickly, not within that time frame, 2-3 years from now yeah I can see it happening. And what I posted earlier the copy and paste thingy, it said they doubt DDR2 will be good enough for PS3, DDR2 will be around in the computer world in 2005-06 pretty sure of that. What they are saying is they are taking it to the next level with the PS3.

Sony Computer Entertainment International filed a patent with the US patent office detailing the Cell Architecture to be used in the next generation playstation (Playstation 3). This patent has detailed the specifications of what was entitled the "preferred embodiment" which throughout the patent had heavy references to the PlayStation 3.

The specs out lined in the "preferred embodiment"- read PS3 - called for 1 trillion floating point calculations per second.

Outlined herein are the specifications for the "preferred embodiment" as detailed in the Cell Patent. Remember that these specifications have yet to be confirmed by Sony nor are they likely to be final. However the specs of the PS3 will un-doubtly be very close, if not more advanced, than the following.

Playstation 3 System Specifications:

PE (Processing Element) Features and General Specifications


8 Identical Attached Processing Unit (APU): ??? bits, Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD)

Clock Frequency: 4GHz

Integer Unit: 4 X Integer Units: 32 billion operations per second (32 GFLOPS).

4 X Floating Point Units: 32 billion floating point operations per second (32 GFLOPS)

Multimedia extended instructions: unKnown

Register Capacity: 128 times 128 bits
TLB: unknown

Instruction Cache: unknown

Data Cache: unknown

Scratch Pad RAM: unknown

Local Memory / Storage or (LS) per APU: 128 kilobytes SRAM

Main Memory: Main Memory: 64-bit XDR-RAM at 6.4GHz.
Memory Bandwidth: (dual-channel = 102.4 GB/s)

DMA: 1 channel per APU

Direct Memory to APU Access: 1,024 bits wide per channel. (8 Channels)

LS to Register: 128bits

Registers to Floating Point or Integer Units: 384 bits per channel

Floating Point or Integer Units to Register: 128 bits per channel


Geometry:

Perspective Transformation: unknown

Lighting: unknown

Fog: unknown


Curved Surface Generation (Bezier): unknown

Image Processing Unit: unknown

Image Processing Performance: unknown

Gate Width: 0.10 micron

VDD Voltage: unknown

Power Consumption: unknown

Metal Layers: unknown

Total Transistors: unknown

Silicon Process Technology: Silicon on Insulator (SOI)

Die Size: unknown

Package: unknown


Graphics Subsystem - Features and General Specifications:

Core: unknown

Clock Frequency: unknown

No. of Pixel Engines: unknown

Embedded DRAM: unknown

Total Memory Bandwidth: unknown

Combined Internal Data Bus Bandwidth: unKnown

Read: unknown

Write: unknown

Texture: unknown

Display Color Depth: unknown

Z Buffering: unknown

Rendering Functions: unknown

Rendering Performance

Pixel Fill Rate: 16 G/Sec

Particle Drawing Rate: unknown

Polygon Drawing Rate: unknown

Sprite Drawing Rate: unknown

Display Output

NTSC/PAL

Digital TV (DTV)

VESA (maximum 1280 x 1024 pixels)

High Defenition TV (HDTV)

Max Resolution: ~2560 x 1920
Silicon Process Technology: unknown

Total Number of Transistors: unknown

Die Size: unknown

Package Type: unknown

Disc Device

CD-ROM and DVD-ROM

CD-ROM unKnown speed

DVD-ROM unKnown speed

Can play DVD movies

 

it's not fair to compare a Game machine not even out yet here in the States, it's not even done. Heard Japan had them and it didn't work out, don't know what that is all about, but a buddy of mine told me this, he get the Playstation magizine every month in the mail, he told me they (Sony) were talking about how they were being sold in Japan. If they make a Processor for the PC 100-200 times faster than a Pentium 2.5ghz is now within a year or two that would be very good, and maybe a bit far fetched, well I think anyway. It's not like in 2 years processors for these PC's are gonna be 10,00000 times faster, lol.....I mean look at the processors from lets say 1999-2000 what did the average computer have in it then? Pentium 500Mhz, 800mhz, somewhere in that ball-park, and now they aren't even 10 times faster then that and 4-5 years have gone by. Anyway, a Game system from even 2 years from now shouldn't be 100-200 times faster than a current PC(Processor wise) that is really sad. I honestly hope the PC can match the PS3 performance in the game world. I would much rather Spend $300-$400 for a PS3 over an X800 or Nvidia 6800 video card. Even if the X800 was 3 times better, I would still give the title to the PS3. I don't know for sure, maybe the Sony Stats are just speculation, could be. Or maybe it will end up being true. Always good to expect the possibilitys.

 

I never heard yet so far that you can mod a X600->X800 (maybe X600Pro->X600Xt but not really sure) but there have been lots of success with modding X800Pro->X800Xt mostly with Sapphire Brand Cards with 0416AA/0411AA on the gpu and some VIVO models of that brand also. So far BBA(Buit By ATI) cards don't seem to be moddable, I tried this with mine and didn't work also probably because I have a newer core, 0422AA I think.
Good place to read up here:

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Cool, PS3 Specs, still a lot of unknowns yet. Lots of stuff there I don't understand, so many different things that I think it's still to hard to compare to the Xbox 2. I posted the specs here:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/91706