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Nvidia vs ATI

Discussion in 'PC hardware help' started by otester, Jun 6, 2004.

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  1. OAKside24

    OAKside24 Regular member

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    Some wierd stuff goin on in here...

    Anyway, I just want to reimphasise the point "Research, Research, Research".

    It works every time, so just take a few hours---if on dialup like me :( ---and look at a few cards you've got in mind. Just recently I did the ol' ATI9600XT/nVIDIA5900XT comparison over a few days and bought the 5900XT [overclocked from BFG Tech]. It feels good to do my homework and pick a card [bold]I[/bold] think will be best. Hope it works out.

    JSRife
    I know man. That came out ONE week after I bought my nVIDIA5900XT. I think it might top mine, but I still love my card anyway [mine was also a LITTLE bit cheaper, so it's ok!]

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  2. Praetor

    Praetor Moderator Staff Member

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    The 9600 isnt quite a "fair" matchup for the 5900; the 5600/5700 would be a more useful comparison :)

    Oh hell yeah... well said! :)
     
  3. JSRife

    JSRife Guest

    Ok one last question on the ATI 9200SE video card subject. I have a basic understanding of the video card you have the 3 little thingys at the bottom of the card that fit into the computer for it to read the card or whatever, so it gets connection, now does it have a power cord also that fits into the computer as well? Do I just need to put in Video card program disc after hooking the card up? and then what, get updates for drivers? Then go and changed video settings? So it's no longer intergrated graphics and now ATI9200SE graphics? I know what you're going to say, "it's simple read the directions" Which I can read, just want to know what I am getting into before I buy a card. It's really simple right? I can add DDR memory to my computer with no problem (I know I'm a computer expert) HA HA JOKING!!!!! I'm just hoping the video card goes in easy as 1-2-3 ya know. I believe Best Buy charges $39-$49 to put a video card in, I don't wanna go in that direction, wanna do it myself.
     
  4. JSRife

    JSRife Guest

    And even more questions as I research further... I'm postive my Computer can handle 4x AGP Video card, possible even 8x but doubt it. Okay when I do buy a video card from lets say when it says this does it mean it is compadable???? BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X


    Does this mean this video card will play in any computer that is either 1x-2x-4x-8x? If I have 4x on my computer will it work then?


    One last question...How does an ATI 9200SE stack up to a 9200LE ??? are they about the same??? Was just wondering because they are close to the same price.
     
  5. Praetor

    Praetor Moderator Staff Member

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    Not on the 9200SE.

    You will have to get into the BIOS and disable the onboard video (it might do that automatically, it might not). Once you boot up, you'll want to install drivers (which can be found on the ATi website)

    Yeah and FutureShop tried to charge me $40 to install my Pioneer106 and kept nagging me about it until I said sure... brought my case in and 40 minutes later they realized the case was locked ... needless to say those "techies" arent everything they make themselves out to be. Installing a vid card isnt that difficult :)

    You'll be fine with whatever video card you get. "Compatible" means just that, it's compatible with the AGP mode (which is set automatically anyways)

    Yes it will work.

    Get me a link on the LE and I'll comment. If you're at a lower budget, I'd reccomend the GFX5200 -- it doesnt have the 64bit memory interface like the 9200SE and has a comparable price


     
  6. otester

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    oops got the wrong side of the picture (didnt read it carefully enough!
    1. Hey i live in house worth about £46,000 2. If i want a PC part for my PC i have to wait a quite a while (maybe longer than that) 3. I have a voodoo 2 (diamond 3d) accelerater card and some games do not support them (make that a LOT)!
     
  7. JSRife

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    Praetor

    Jetway ATI RADEON 9200LE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "92LE-AD-128B" -RETAIL


    Specifications -

    Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9200LE/250MHz
    Memory: 128MB DDR
    BUS: AGP 4X/8X
    Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub) + TV-Out(S-Video) + DVI
    Support 3D API: DirectX 8.1, OpenGL
    Cable/Accessories: S-Video Cable, Manual, 1 CD
    Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536
    Retail Box (See pics for details)
    $53.00

    Another thing that has been stumping me some of the cards say (OEM) (RETAIL) and junk like that. Any difference???

    I'm looking to spend no more than $60 for a video card, just looking to get anything with 128mb to improve my computer a little. I don't play the latest greatest games on my machine either, just older stuff like Diablo 2 and so on, which D2 Plays pretty good now without the card.. I also been checking out the Nvidia 5200 series which is comparable in price to the 9200 in some cases, depending on the actual card.

    These are all the cards I been looking at....Maybe you would know which would be the most bang for the buck...Here it is...




    Rosewill ATI RADEON 9200LE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "92LE-AD-128B" -RETAIL
    $54.00

    CHAINTECH nVIDIA GeForce FX5200 Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "LA-FX20-H" -RETAIL (limit 5 per customer) $57.00

    APOLLO GeForce4 MX440-8X Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "Bloody Monster Geforce4 MX440 128MB-AGP8X" -RETAIL $58.00


    Something like one of those cards am considering. I just hear alot about the 9200 being a good budget card, so that kind of sold me... One last thing, how in the hell do you copy and paste pictures onto these post???





     
  8. The_OGS

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    Hi Jason,
    You should probably pickup [bold]something[/bold] to put in your empty AGP slot!
    One of those 3 inexpensive boards would be an improvement for you.
    Your system has allocated 32MB (or maybe 64MB, check the BIOS setting) of RAM for your onboard video.
    It will return that mem to your system right away, so that's gotta be worth $50 bucks or whatever :)
    You can't go wrong with that 128MB FX5200, I have one here in Asus 'VS' model, which is Video Suite (it has video out / video in for capturing, also known as VIVO) and it works OK.
    It will make you very happy @ 800x600x32 but you must spend $400 bucks to 1600x1200x32, you know? So WTF.
    Most AGP slots are either 'AGP 1x2x4x' or they are 'AGP 4x8x'. Yours is probably the former, so it would run latest-voltage 8x AGP card @ 4x AGP (no big deal).
    Don't even open the driver CD that comes with vidcard; download NVidia (or ATI) driver package before you install board, and go right for those.
    After reboot, run DirectX 9.0b install again.
    Apart from return of system RAM, you will benefit from industry-standard drivers from either mfg. - there probably hasn't been a whole lot of development on your onboard vid drivers in the last few months...
    $50 buck will get you into the game!
    Then, save your money for PCI-eXpress on new mobo.
    You don't want to put $400 bucks into your old rig, right?
    Regards
     
  9. JSRife

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    Don't know how long I will have my current computer. I bought it late 2002 Dec sometime. The system came out in Nov 2002, it's getting old, but not accient yet. I don't plan on putting tons of money into this thing no. The most I will do is slap in a DDR 2100 512MB memory chip and a $50 video card and that is bout all she wrote for this system.

    Here are my stats.... AMD Athlon 1800+ running at 1.53GHZ, 40gig HD, 384MB DDR 2100 memory, Windows XP home, Upgradable to 1 or 2 gigs of memory...Not to sure which one it is. I'm gonna get another year maybe even 2 out of this thing and buy better for sure. I'm kinda the cheap skate, and poor all at the same time. I'll prolly get another budget Computer do some cheap upgrades to it with Video and extra Ram and that is about it. I checked out some budget machines at Wal-mart a few weeks ago, that's where I bought this HP, well anyway I like the new look of the compaq they are offering at Wally World, but the stats on it aren't much better than what I'm running now, bassically the same thing believe it or not. Now when 3200 memory is considered slower, that is when I will pick up another system... Like 1-2 years from now they will offer a budget machine with 3200 memory. I like to stay up to date with my computers, I just keep buying the slower budget machine of it's time. Thanks for the advice on the video card. I will look into it.
     
  10. Praetor

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    Ok let's have a look at the 9200SE and 9200LE side by side (or rather, top-down but who's keeping track heehee_

    9200SE
    CORE CLK - 200Mhz (although some are clocked at 250Mhz)
    MEM. CLK - 333Mhz
    RAMDAC - 400Mhz
    MAX MEM - 128MB (although 64MB is much more common)

    9200LE
    CORE CLK - 250Mhz
    MEM. CLK - 330-360Mhz
    MEM. WIDTH - 64bit (although 128bit versions exist, they arent common)
    MAX MEM - 128MB

    GFX5200
    CORE CLK - 250Mhz
    MEM. CLK - 400Mhz
    MEM. WIDTH - 128bit (although I have heard of 64bit versions, i have yet to verify)
    MAX MEM - 256MB (although 128MB is probably more common)

    If you're gonna stick with ATI, grab the 9200LE as odds are it will be a better performer. Of course The GFX5200 is probably a better choice overall
     
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  12. JSRife

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    Well all three of those cards are around the same money, give or take a few bucks....I will look into the 5200.. :)
     
  13. Sophocles

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    I use both nivida and ATI. At this time I'm using an ATI so it seems I don't really care if its a chevy or a ford. I buy the one that suits my needs and offers the best value for the price at the time. Without overclocking my card I got 5983 on 3dmark 2003 at its default setting.
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  15. otester

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    What card? Nvidia/ATI and which one?
     
  16. john179

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    If windows xp then it has to be ATI as it is much more compatble.Nvidia is a great card but i think ATI is more all round compatible to all oprateing systems.
    John179
     
  17. otester

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    How come many people say Nvidia make the MOST compatible cards?
     
  18. JSRife

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    I think ATI and Nvidia are equal when it comes to compatibility. Either card will work just fine with Windows XP. I got a few friends with Nvidia, and another with an ATI they all use Windows XP and haven't heard about any problems from either of em. I look at it this way, if you're not using Windows XP or at least Windows 2000, then getting a good video card shouldn't really matter anyway, as you need to upgrade everything else anyway.
     
  19. otester

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    Not so true! i have had my 2.8ghz , 128mb gf4 , 60gb hd etc running on 98SE for ages and games are very good still!
     
  20. Praetor

    Praetor Moderator Staff Member

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    Why would you seel your GFX5600 when you can sell the GF4?

    Not for linux; it was a pain in the arse to get a couple ATi cards workin ... not that it was easy for my nVidia cards either :p
     
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