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Nvidia vs ATI

Discussion in 'PC hardware help' started by otester, Jun 6, 2004.

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  1. john179

    john179 Active member

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    Come on Praetor lets sort this debate out Nvidia vs ATI.The winner is ATI No1 maker of graphic cards.Why do you think xbox is switching to them because they are the boys on the top at present.There both bluddy good makers of cards its just that ATI seem to have the upper hand at the moment but that can always change fast in the computer world.
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  2. otester

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    i agree
     
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    Yeah, maybe
    (Canadian, eh?)
    But don't forget, ATI has been around forever, NVidia is relative newcomer.
    It's Ford vs. Chevy; the discussion is moot.
     
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    Yeh ive so got the A team on my side ATI rules rules
    rules rules rules rules rules rules rules rules

    Sorry finger stuck on the button again

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  5. Praetor

    Praetor Moderator Staff Member

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    WTF is this crap?! If the debate was that friggen simple we wouldnt have nVidia anymore now would we because nobody would be buying them because they "suck so much". Now let's have a look at what you've said:
    - Xbox will use an ATI card... wow.... television graphics.... calibrated for what resolution? Considering the first xbox was "so good" and featured a P3-733 ... it doesnt seem that people have very high expectations ... i'm sure with the right marketing an Etch-a-sketch could power the Xbox.
    - Secondly -- on paper -- ATi gets a shitkicking.... do you know why? Pixel Shader 3.0 is requirement for DirectX9.0c ... something ATi's flagship line doesnt support. Now that's more of a benifit for nVidia rather than a negative for ATi so let's have a look at the ATi lineup and the nVidia lineups:

    LOW
    X300
    6800
    MEDIUM
    X600
    6800GT
    HIGH
    X800
    6800U

    Now it doesnt take a genius to quickly realize that a Radeon9800 will kick the crap out of the newer X300 and X600 -- and is a superior card -- it's not a leap of faith to say the 6800 and 6800GT will give those sorry cards a serious lickin. As for the top end flagship cards it seems you fail to realize that the cards are damn near neck-and-neck -- ATi will win here, nVidia will win there. If you're gonna make a blanket statement like you've done -- make sure first that ATi wins everywhere and by noningnificant margins.

    - Now in practise: I dont have either card so I'm not gonna talk smack. Now if you're runnin both cards go ahead, lets hear your results.

    Conclusion
    If the video card market was so simple as to allow for people to say "ATI is the best" or "nVidia is the best" there simply wouldnt be the other company.

    But on the scale of both companies, 5 years here and there doesnt make much of a difference :)

    Thank's Nephilim for that analogy :D
     
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    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    There is no clear winner as far as the top tier cards are concerned. Both perform almost identically. Sure you can read all the benchmarks and draw a useless conclusion because one card scored a few percentage points more than the other in some of the tests but if we're going to talk benchmarks, all of the many I've read have both cards within the margin of error for most all the tests. Those that weren't were so close as be inconsequential in the real world.

    There's nothing wrong with being loyal to a company but to make a blanket statement that one sucks and the other reigns supreme is not only unfounded but wrong.
     
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    One hell of a statement Praetor and i know you do your home work but my peronal opinion ATI beats nVidia hands down at present.All my mates have pc's and are like me.All had many of the nVidia cards and switched over.My last nVidia was fantasic with windows me but on xp i had to get update after update and never worked the same as it did on ME.This forced the change to ATI and boy i can get only 1 update for on xp and guess what i do not even need it as it works perfect without.As i said
    So for the time being ATI is the Top card but like you and i pointed out the computer world is fast changing.
    Ps Praetor take it easy on the reply or i may need to start using reading glasses.
    Thanks
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  8. Praetor

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    One hell of a statement Praetor and I know you do your home work but my peronal opinion ATI beats nVidia hands down at present.[/quote]
    That's perfectly fine .... an opinion is one thing... a complete blanket statement is another :)

    That's exactly what I was saying before -- ATI is NOT the top "card" (aside from the minor technicality that when you say ATI you dont actually mean that -- you specifically are talking about the X800 Platinum -- which is a superb card, and I'm not about to get into a pissing contest about the technicalities there but the fact of the matter is neither the "ATI" nor "nVidia" as you see it is actually a dominant card plain and simple. If it was a case of the ATi card being superior, nVidia wouldnt really be a topic of discussion now would it? ;-)

    Now if you want a more useful (and intriguing) comparison, look at the "X" line by ATi and the 6800 line and there's a shocking contrast of marketing/technical strategy :)

    You havnt seen my longer posts........
     
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    1,500+ words when he gets going :)
     
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    Otester, if your are running a good rig like you say that you have, and are running 98SE, I would have a tough time taking anything else you have to say, seriously. (Said semi-tongue in cheek)
     
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    As i said your the man thanks for that Praetor

    John179
     
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    1. Its my Dads card, but i could sell it if i wanted to 2. It beats my GFX5600 by miles
     
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    At the almost very top end of the scale sits the ATi X800 XT and the NVidia GeForce 6800 ultra. In the UK, current prices are extreme for these cards. £380 (current eq, $650) so i will prpbably be buying what is top now, in just under a year's time. Almost all of my games are Direct3Dm and i don't use 'heavy' games in openGL, so i am of the opinion that the X800 is better for me. Am i right?

    to add another question, what sort of performance would i get with:

    Unreal tournament 2004 1920x1200 32-bit Preloading skins on, 33-players (max), assault map, all Graphics options at highest (most demanding setup available to my knowledge)

    Bearing in mind I have a 3000xp+ CPU and a 70% full Seagate 160GB HDD. As for RAM, though i don't atm, by the time i get the GPU i will probably have 1536MB PC2700.

    (another point about an earlier post - 98SE would actually effectively make the system run much faster, just not so stable and you would have to out up with annoying crashes and those bong error messages.
     
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  14. Y-Not

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    I have until now always used nvidia and was very happy, now i am running an ati 9600pro 256 MB and i love it too. the differance is not that important, as said earlier unless your sitting about instead of running how would you notice. i changed just for the ole look see reason
     
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  15. Praetor

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    Doom3 max settings followed by FarCry max settings will annihilate UT. Preloading skins only stresses the system memory rather than the video subsystem

    Very well said
     
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    Indeed i do know, that was just for reference. But anyhow, i don't see as how i will be getting doom 3 or far cry for a while yet, i have too many other things on my shopping list. I do want doom 3, but its just got a lower priority.

    As i hear (though don't yell at me if i'm wrong), Nvidia seem to work better with openGL (doom 3's case) and ATi work better with Direct3D (everything else's case). Plus, in my opinion, Nvidia cards are marginally inferior, not due to performance, but due to the performance : Power consumption ratio. We are agreed that the ATi and NVidia offer almost identical performance levels, but why waste an extra 130W (if you run your pc for 12 hours a day, thats up to 10p per day here) when you can get the same processing power for less electricity? Does anyone agree with that?
     
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    So the DOOMers like the NVidia boards best...?
    Well, assuming that this (for now) is correct, follow the link to the latest discussion:
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/97203
    L8R
     
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    That does seem to be the case although just a couple years back it was the other way around. OpenGL is arguably better from an end-user and performance perspective but a pain in the arse to code with.

    1. People who can afford the flagship card typically can afford the electricity
    2. You can always opt for the midrange card, the 6800GT which has approximately the same power consumption and performance as the X800 (and typically pulls ahead with PS3.0)

    There's also the performance/cost for which the baseline 6800 wins virtually hands-down.
     
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    Hey praetor you know when otester started this thread i bet he did not know he was starting a war between ati and NVidia on the consumer front.I see you have battled for both makers and you are doing a great job of being the referee this is going beyond all exspectations
    Good on you

    John179
     
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    I'm glad I have your approval :p
     
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