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Nvidia vs ATI

Discussion in 'PC hardware help' started by otester, Jun 6, 2004.

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  1. Nephilim

    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    The ATI X800 and nVidia 6800 are a phenomenal leap in performance. We haven't seen this big a leap in years.

    For the longest time when a new gen card came out that gave us a 20 or 30 percent increase it was great but everything I've read on these two bad boys indicates almost double the performance!

    Love them or hate them ATI and nVidia's fierce competition means nothing but great things for us.
     
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  2. JSRife

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    Makes me wonder this...They start working on these games before the X800 or 6800 even come out, are they just expecting a newer video card to fill the bill, makes me wonder how they test these games so far in advance when they maybe are working with less than the current card. Again these game makers probably have things we cannot have.
     
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    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    The game develpers work very closely with the card developers :)
     
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    Well not since the TNT2 or the GeForce256 :)

    That's a fair assumption though :)
     
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  5. otester

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    I think the radeon would, but it depends on what card, XFX, Gainward, ASUS or MSI (NVIDIA) or Sapphire, Hightech or Hercules (ATI) and it also depends on the clock speeds and amount of memory
     
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    Would what?

    Well obviously however the 5900 has the advantage of making use of GDDR memory (on select boards) for a much higher memory bandwidth -- the 9800Pro doesnt have models using that memory .. the 9800XT however, that's a different story. Naturally we wouldnt be comparing a 128MB ATi card next to a 256MB nVidia card or vice versa -- that simply wouldnt make sense in a practical case. I'm not sure on the OC overhead for the 9800Pro (Nephilim?) but I'm aware that the 5900 (and the 5950 which can be a low as $20 more) has some OC headroom (partially thanks to the smaller design process)
     
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  7. otester

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    It would win. whats GDDR(3)
     
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    Sigh. :(
     
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    Hehe I know that feeling all to well.... burned out ram, video chips, mobos and cpus heehee. In general however I would suspect that the Radeon's OC ceiling to be fairly low ... otherwise they would have clocked their chips much more aggressively
     
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  11. otester

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    KEEP TO THE TOPIC
     
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    In case you didnt know, "Radeon" is a product line made by a Canadian Company called ATi. Discussion about the versitility of such products and OC potential for such products is well within topic parameters.

    What you should be concerned with is ALLCAPSING.
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  14. otester

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    What Eva!
     
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  15. JSRife

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    The debate between the ATI X800 VS Nvidia 6800 is simple. Both cards are bassically the same experience they both are within there generation, any game the x800 can play beautifully so can the 6800 and vise versa. If I was a Video card geeker, I would have to go with the X800 just for the simple fact it might be a few bucks cheaper and it looks alot cooler inside your case with the clear side to drool over. To me the quality built overall has to go to the Nvidia, the Nvidia looks like it might user little higher grade componets and the cards look as though it may cost a little more money to make, is probably why the price is a little higher over the X800.
     
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    Dont bring that gangsta crap here or you're gonna dissapear real fast -- either contribute or lurk.

    w00t! Very well said ... i would imagine the 6800 costs more becuase it's built on a smaller process (unless ATi has finally caught up).
     
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  17. JSRife

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    So true Praetor,
    I can see the ATI X800 selling more than the Nvidia 6800, it makes sense ATI would be selling more, they have great marketing over Nvidia it seems like, I could be wrong but I always hear People talking about ATI over Nvidia. When ATI always comes out with a new Video card with the big badass dragon on the front of the box or some other badass type of thing with the word PRO on the front of it, People getting a little nutty over it really quickly. Then you see Nvidia with some Cyber chick on the front of the box or a mermaid your like screw this, lol.....I'm not saying I think ATI is better, maybe their marketing is a little better, on the other hand Nvidia is probably spending more time and putting great quality into their cards, not saying ATI aren't quality, I think Praetor is right when he says they produce more cards.
     
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  18. JSRife

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    What is the difference between the ATI X300 and X800? I saw an X800se. Does that mean SE as in stripped version? Will there be a Pro version later? Is there a Pro version now?
     
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    X300
    http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx300/specs.html

    Dammit why does ATI keep doing that crap (64bit memory interfaces).... that stuff is archaic and the fact that AI is a major player means that they have the ability to influence the market.... I can understand the 9x00 series having an SE variant but come on .... the X-series should be devoid of this 64bit stuff! Geez 64bit was circa, what, TNT2??? So aside from this (IMO, crippling modification), the X300 is just the same thing but with less pipelines (and using DDR memory).

    But also looking at the X600, it really does seem like the 9800XT/Pro could give that card a potential lesson or two:

    9800 Series
    256bit memory Interface
    AGP8x
    Support for Smartshader 2.1
    Support for HyperZ III+
    8 pipelines
    4 shaders

    X600
    128bit memory interface
    x16 PCI-X (theoreitcally AGP16X)
    Support for Smartshader 2.0
    Support for HyperZ III
    4 pipelines
    2 shaders

    Now unless I'm missing something, its been quite some time since the top dog of a last-generation series beat the snot out of a midrange-dog of the current series (hell im stretching my mind and the best I can some up with is GF2Ultra and GF3Base)

    Now unless I've misread something horribly wrong.... this is a really bad thing for the game development industry (reminiscient of the GF4MX but not that bad). Game developers keep pushing games, designing them to be stunning on top-dog cards but "more than good enough" on medium-range cards ..... and with the advent of a completely new series of cards.... to have (a) that 64bit stuff still hanging around (on midrange cards at that) and (b) for top last-gen cards to beat midrange current cards ..... that's gonna leave a bunch of people dissapointed I would imagine (especially since, i would expect, the X600 to be more expensive than the 9800 series cards).... .someone please correct me... i hope im wrong
     
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  20. The_OGS

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    Yes I know what you mean, the new MX model would be lucky to equal the previous deluxe model (but, at a fraction of the price).
    Is the castrated ATI board inexpensive?
    I have heard something about pipelines that are there but just disabled, until they can get the cheapo chip on fab.
     
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