OK heres the gist of it. Had a mate softmod my xbox only to have my dumbarse nephew fiddle with the settings when i wasnt around and deleted EvoX and it changed to a different one. Why there was 2 types other than the M$ one i dont know. Also after this point i tried to copy to the hard drive, burnout revenge. It tried an auto update but stalled and so after that i didnt really worry bout it as i wasnt too concerned about that game anyway. Since then my mate tried to get the xbox back from the weird dash and onto EvoX again. Deleted the weird dash and such, im not sure, but he knew what he was doing. Then as soon as the xbox tried to reboot i wouldnt work, i believe that the auto update left some commands in the xbox to finish the update. However this didnt happen until the weird dash was removed and the M$ dash said hold on i need to up date. My mate took it and had a fiddle and so know the hard drive has a fully untainted dash on it but apon booting it tries to connect to xbox live for an update, doesn't connect and just stays at that screen. I dont have an xbox live account and dont use it what so ever. Have tried borrowing the same game and allowing it to finish the update but it doesnt even try to look at the game only goes to the update screen. More than a gist really but any suggestions would be great.