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Philips dvp642 dvd and divX player

Discussion in 'DVD players' started by slovak, Apr 27, 2004.

  1. jmikeh

    jmikeh Guest

    Thanks for the input Rick. About the US Logix player I have been wondering about it. Not many reviews of it. I saw it for $49.99 at local compusa awhile back but missed out on the sale.

    Do you have anything more to add about it???
     
  2. rick5446

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    Hello..jmikeh..Yea i missed the sale to..but anyway I had to take back my LG player..it was one of those slotted loaders & the Printed surface Ritek & TY's would hang or slip whatever its called & you would have to give them a shove..so anyway had to have a player so I bought the US Logic [60-bucks]with a 4yr service pack [20-bucks]everything i put in the player so far has played..Mpegs,just a VOB file, AVI's,Divx, standard DVD's,VCD, SVCD
    it took all my Discs DVD + - /DVD + - RW's [Ritek DVD-R,TY DVD-R,Memorex +RW's, Ritek-RW'S..I even trid some of my older Disc's from way back when i first started burning..ya know when ya thought a DVD was a DVD so anyway they played too..[LiquidVideo's frm CircuitCity..& those White CompUSA Disc's]I'd recommend the unit
    for a simple no frills its a decent player
    The only thing that I find wrong so far is the way it list your AVI's or Divx..they don't seem to be in order 4 could be episode 1..don't know if it's the player or me..I'vs tried 1-name.avi 2,3 etc 1A-Name.avi,2A,3A etc..I like to put all my TV series on 1 disc..So this is a little aggravating..just hope its me..Oh well even if its the player I'm gonna keep it due to the fact I bought at CompUSA & 4yr service contract for 20 bucks
    They had the Philips unit also..that a heads up to everybody..thats a grand total of 80-bucks for the unit & a 4yr replacement contract
     
  3. mhudson7

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    Lets us know if you figure out that file-order issue. That would be a bummer for me too.
     
  4. rick5446

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    Hello..mhudson7..It's not really a big isue due to the fact that U can only get 12,1hr episodes on one Disc..But anyway I'll let U know.If I get time today I'll try re-nameing in a sequence of commom denoninators
     
  5. jmikeh

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    Good info, rick5446. Do you know if Qpel and Gmc are issues with the USLogic player???
     
  6. rick5446

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    Hello again..jmikeh...Qpel I think on all players has to be converted..but i don't really know
     
  7. jmikeh

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  8. rick5446

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    Thanks jmikeh..Yea those are good reviews,guess that answered your question on QPEL..Well I guess we'll have to start a new forum for US LOGIC..before we get booted outta this one..or maybe we can just convert everybody here to this player..I still think that all should take atvantage of the 20buck service contract..this is on both units the 642 & the DP3182..Before CompUSA WAKES UP & SMELLS THE COFFEE
    Thanks again
     
  9. bronco4

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    Hello All,
    Just bought the dvp 642 and it works great on most avi's I have.
    I use nero and just burn the files as a data disc,however I have noticed with several avi's such as Fantastic 4,Star Trek Nemesis and a few others,that when I play them in the dvp642 they are very pixelated and looks like a mosaic effect.
    Anyone know what the remedy of this is
    Thanks in advance...
    Bronco
     
  10. rick5446

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    Hello..bronco4..a few possibilities..I know the files play OK on your computer,but IT could be in the D/L itself,I call these Burps,a few coloured blkk or the vocal skips a little..of late this has been happening to me..it could be in the burning..U might want to run the file through NanDub to see if that helps..or try DivFix..just go here http://www.divx-digest.com/software/divfix.html ..& click on one of the links for DivFIX
     
  11. bronco4

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    rick5446,thanks for the input,but not needed after all.
    I went back a few pages and found the answer, someone else was asking about a pixelation problem and was told to press the menu key twice once the movie started to play.Well I tried it and lo and behold it worked.The picture went from pixelated to a clear picture
    This is a gret forum which I can see,can bee very informative.
    Fhanks again for your input rick...
    Also for others with the same problem, I thought I would let them know it is the "system" menu button,not the "disc" menu button.
    Bronco
     
  12. jmikeh

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    Hi Bronco. This is a know issue and it pertains to the customer mpeg matrix that the vid is encoded in. Search around for Lisa B. and her article on standalone Divx players, especially the 642. A new 642 owner should not be without the article...
     
  13. rick5446

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    *** Lisa B.'s Guide to Standalone DVD Player Compatibility ***

    If you are tired of burning an AVI to disc, only to find out that it
    doesn't play in your standalone DVD player, then this is the guide for
    you!

    Although I wrote this guide with the Philips 642 in mind, I will talk
    about just about every AVI feature that could possibly affect standalone
    playback, so it should be useful for anyone with a standalone DVD player.

    There are really only two tools that you need to diagnose your AVI's -
    MPEG4Modifier and GSpot. The latest versions of these can always be
    downloaded at the great general-purpose video site, www.videohelp.com, in
    the Tools section. Make sure to download the latest Beta of GSpot, since
    it contains many features not in the latest stable version. You may also
    want to download VirtualDubMod from the same site.

    *** Diagnosing your AVI with MPEG4Modifier ***

    After launching MPEG4Modifier, simply click the browse button, then
    select and open your AVI.

    A. Aspect Ratio

    This should be "Square Pixels". If it is anything other than "Square
    Pixels", the Philips 642 will not play it. For other players, you may
    want to make a small test sample, burn to CDRW, and see what happens.

    To change the Aspect Ratio to "Square Pixels", just click the radio
    button for "Square Pixels", click the "Save..." button, and you will be
    prompted for a new AVI name....it will take a few minutes as it saves the
    new, modified, AVI.

    Keep in mind that MPEG4Modifier is not an encoder. When you save out a
    new avi, it is just changing header and/or packaging information, so
    there will be no loss of video quality.

    B. Packed Bitstream

    The Philips 642 has no problem with packed bitstream, so if you have a
    Philips 642, don't touch this option. Some other standalones have
    problems with packed bitstream...the problem has been described as a
    "stuttering" of the video. Keep in mind, though, there are other
    possible causes of "stuttering", so you'll want to eliminate the other
    possible causes first.

    You should not unpack the bitstream unless you need to. Packed bitstream
    can help maintain audio synch after editing or remuxing, for example.

    To unpack the bitsteam, just click the radio button for "Unpack", click
    the "Save..." button, and you will be prompted for a new AVI name....it
    will take a few minutes as it saves the new, modified, AVI.

    C. User Data

    This is not very important, but it can tell you what version of DivX or
    XviD was used to encode the AVI. You may also tell if someone has
    mistakenly changed the 4CC code of the file.

    D. Interlacing

    The Philips 642 has no problem with a properly interlaced AVI. That
    being said, I have yet to come across a properly interlaced AVI in all my
    roaming around the internet. By "properly interlaced", I mean that the
    original material was truly interlaced (not just telecined), and that the
    interlace was properly maintained from source to final encoded AVI.

    Here is what happens when you take a *progressive* source and encode it
    as interlaced:

    1. In the Philips 642, if the frame rate is *not* 29.97, then there will
    be a very jerky playback. If the framerate is 29.97, then the interlace
    has no effect.

    2. In other standalones, interlaced avi's may not play at all, or they
    may look fine. This you'll need to test using the provided support
    files.

    MPEG4Modifer cannot "uninterlace" an avi. If you are dealing with a
    jerky playing interlaced AVI (and this is not due to wrong field order),
    then you will need to re-encode it.

    The other thing that can go wrong with an interlaced AVI is that the
    field order can be wrong. If the field order is wrong, you will have a
    very odd jerky movement which I can't quite describe, so refer to the
    support files.

    If you need to change the field order, just click the radio button that
    is not currently selected (either "Top First" or "Bottom First"), click
    the "Save..." button, and you will be prompted for a new AVI name....it
    will take a few minutes as it saves the new, modified, AVI.

    E. Video Info

    This button supplies some additional important info. Click it, and look
    for the following features:

    1. QPel - The Philips 642 will not play Qpel. Some standalones will.
    You may want to make a small test sample and see what happens.

    QPel cannot be removed from an AVI. If your player doesn't play QPel,
    then you will have to re-encode the AVI.

    2. GMC - in parenthesis, you will see how many "warp points" were
    possible. GMC is associated with S-VOPs. At the bottom of the window,
    there will be a statistical breakdown of how many warp points were
    actually used in the S-VOPs. The important thing to note is the
    following: if it uses only 1 warp point 100% of the time, then the AVI
    will play without problems in the Philips 642. If, on the other hand,
    some S-VOPs use more than one warp point, then the AVI will quit playing
    as soon as it hits a "multi-warp-point" S-VOP.

    GMC cannot be removed from an AVI, nor can the number of warp points be
    modified. If your player doesn't play GMC, then you will have to re-
    encode the AVI.

    3. Quant type - The Philips 642 will play "H.263" or "MPEG" quantization
    type. The Philips 642 has problems playing "Custom MPEG" quantization
    type, but there is a workaround.

    When the Philips 642 tries to play an AVI using "Custom MPEG"
    quantization, then you will typically see all these pixellated, blocky,
    psychedelic colorings. This can be fixed by pressing the "System Menu"
    button (on the remote control) twice.

    The "System Menu" fix is a cheap fix, and you will still notice some
    funky color smearing throughout the film. This is mild enough that it is
    acceptable to many people. To get the best results, though, all AVI's
    with "Custom MPEG" should be re-encoded for proper playback on the
    Philips 642.

    There is also a minor incompatibility between the Philips 642 and the
    "MPEG" quantization type, which is noticeable in certain kinds of scenes.
    This is why I do all my own encodes using H.263. See the support files
    for more details.

    4. N-VOPs - This is the rather interesting thing I discovered, that, to
    my knowledge, no one else has discovered. The Philips 642 seems not to
    recognize N-VOPs...in other words, it just skips right over them. This
    leads to audio synch problems. The audio can be brought back in synch by
    fast forwarding or rewinding a few frames, but then it will go back out
    of synch the next time it encounters more N-VOPs.

    Look at the number of N-VOPs. Keep in mind that everytime the player
    hits an NVOP, the audio will get out of synch...if your avi has more than
    1 or 2 N-VOP's, you'll probably want to re-encode the AVI if you want it
    to play back in synch on the Philips 642.

    If you have a different player, it may play N-VOP's just fine, so test it
    out with the file that I supply in the support files.

    Don't use GSpot to figure out if you file has N-VOP's...GSpot will say
    that all packed bitstream AVI's have N-VOP's whether they do or not!

    *** Diagnosing your AVI with GSpot ***

    MPEG4Modifier is great, but the one thing it doesn't tell you about is
    how your AVI is interleaved. Interleaving tells you how the audio is
    mixed with the video. This isn't important for playback from a hard
    drive, but it is important when you are playing it off of a CD or DVD.
    GSpot will tell you how your AVI is interleaved.

    A. Audio

    Look in the "Codec" field and see whether your AVI has MP3 or AC3 audio.
    If the audio is something else, then you will have to re-encode the audio
    if you want to play the AVI on the Philips 642. Re-encoding audio is
    easy, but is beyond the scope of this guide.

    B. Container

    The container should be either "AVI v1.0" or "OpenDML (AVI v2.0)". If it
    is anything else, then you should re-mux the avi.

    There should be a line labeled "Interleave:". If there is not, then your
    audio is not interleaved with your video and you need to re-mux the avi.

    "preload" should be around 500. If it is 300-600, then great. If it is
    not, then you should re-mux the avi.

    The other part of the interleave parameters depends on what kind of audio
    you have.

    1. MP3 Audio

    For MP3 Audio, it should be set to "1 vid frame"

    2. AC3 Audio

    For AC3 Audio, it *could* be set to "1 vid frame", but this is not
    preferred, and may or may not lead to "stuttering" at various points in
    the film.

    For AC3 Audio, it should be set to "64 ms"


    *** Re-muxing your AVI with VirtualDubMod ***

    1. Open AVI in VirtualDubMod.
    2. If you get some kind of warning about VBR header, and it asks the
    question "Do you want to rewrite the header?", then say "No".
    3. Select "Video - Direct Stream Copy" (i.e., direct stream copy in the
    "Video" menu)
    4. For AC3 audio, select "Streams - Stream List"...Right-Click on the AC3
    audio stream...Select "Interleaving..." from the pop-up menu...choose to
    interleave audio every 64 ms (remember to click the "ms" radio button).
    Then exit out of the dialog and the stream list (i.e., hit "OK" twice).
    5. Select "File - Save As..."
    6. Specify a new file name, and click OK.

    *** Making a test sample of your AVI with VirtualDubMod ***

    There's no need to burn the whole AVI just to test it out in your
    standalone -- make a sample! Keep in mind though, that the sample is
    "re-muxed", so just because it plays perfect in your standalone doesn't
    mean that you don't need to check the interleaving of the original AVI
    with GSpot!

    1. Open AVI in VirtualDubMod.
    2. If you get some kind of warning about VBR header, and it asks the
    question "Do you want to rewrite the header?", then say "No".
    3. Select "Video - Direct Stream Copy" (i.e., direct stream copy in the
    "Video" menu)
    4. Select "Video - Select Range"...in the "Frames" column, set the length
    to 3000, then exit out of the dialog (i.e., hit "OK").
    5. Select "File - Save As..."
    6. Specify a new file name, and click OK.

    *** Re-encoding your AVI ***

    This isn't difficult, but is beyond the scope of this guide. One day
    I'll write a re-encoding guide!

    *** Support Files ***

    I have a variety of little avi clips that will let you test your
    standalone, and see examples of various AVI problems and
    incompatibilities. Information is in a separate read-me file.

    *** Tips ***

    1. If you have more than 1 physical hard drive in your computer, then
    when you modify an avi, or re-mux an avi, you should choose a destination
    folder which is not on the same physical hard drive as the source. This
    will make the process a *lot* faster.

    2. Unless you do a lot of encoding, you probably want to go into the
    VDubMod's preferences and set "Direct Stream Copy" as the default video
    processing mode...that way you won't have to set that option every time.

    *** About the Guide ***

    A lot of this I learned from an awful lot of trial and error. I hope you
    guys find this to be useful information!

    Lisa B.



    Just copy & paste this in notepad to save for future reference
     
  14. bigboneli

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    Bronco 4...I occassionally get some avi's that are HEAVILY pixellated with garish colours....My daughter figured out the fix one day, just hit the system (menu) button, then, shit I forget, hit it again, or play, but that fixes it perfectly...And it seems that the movies that do that always do it when you first start them, so you need this fix...Lemme know how it works for ya.

    BB
     
  15. bigboneli

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    Shit, just found your follow up post where you had already fixed the problem...Oh well ;)
     
  16. GrayArea

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    I've been using a DVP642 for over a year now. Good unit. Not perfect, but really good. Been using a program called AutoGK as a front end for DivX pro to do compressed DVD back-ups. If you are new to video compression or would just like it to be a less complicated process AutoGK has worked very well for me. There is an option during install that specifically configures the encoder settings for ESS support (the DivX chip set used by the DVP642 to decode DivX). Development has stopped on AutoGK but the last release supports DivX 6.1 pro. If you are having fits trying to encode DivX for this player give AutoGK a try. Comes bundled with XviD. If you want to encode DivX you will need the DivX pro codec.
    http://www.autogk.me.uk/index.php
     
  17. rick5446

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    Hello GrayArea..can u use AutoGK..to redo an already existing avi,divx,xvid,to convert it to what u suggested,& if so will it be a quick fix,or painstakenly long process
    I my self am not familiar with converting to these formats.But am somewhat familiar with correcting certain problems that might arise
     
  18. mhudson7

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    Thanks a lot mhudson7..D/L,ing as we type,I'll give it a try
     
  20. MrStaypft

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    Hey guys, I've had this player for a few months and have had most of the same experiences listed here, but nothing too big. Overall I like the player a lot, but now I've got a new problem that's somewhat strange and wanted to ask if anyone else is experiencing this. In some recent Xvid encodes, the audio stream is lagging behind when listening to it through the digital optical output on the player. When I use the analog stereo outs it's fine in perfect sync. The problem alone would seem to be a hardware issue with the player, but because it happens consistently with only specific encodes I can't see it being anything other than the software. Anybody else have this problem, hopefully finding some way to deal with it without a completely new encode?
     

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