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Discussion in 'PC hardware help' started by daemonzx6, Jul 8, 2004.

  1. Kamran

    Kamran Regular member

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    what do u mean by sheep?
     
  2. daemonzx6

    daemonzx6 Regular member

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    im pretty sure "sheep" is just a term used to describe the different classes of burners and how they burn bit patterns. "2 sheep" burners burn bit patterns correctly, "1 sheep" burners burn bit patterns almost correctly, and the oldest "No sheep" burners dont burn bit patterns correctly at all. as for the "3 sheep" burner praetor is talking about ive never heard of one and i dont see how it could be better than correct
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    daemonzx6 Regular member

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    to put it simply, 1 sheep burners cant burn through the latest copy protection, while 2 sheep burners can
     
  4. Praetor

    Praetor Moderator Staff Member

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    Without sidetracking too much:
    When talking about backing up games and such there's a lot of talkBurners capable of correctly performing EFM (eight-fourteen modulation) are designated as 2-sheep burners. Burners that can almost perform correct EFM are designated as 1-sheep burners. Last on the totem pole, 0-sheep burners cant perform EFM properly at all. For a partial list of 2-sheep burners, visit http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/45121

    It was an obscure Toshina one which had a very short marketing life. A bit more on 3-sheeps: http://www.petemoore.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/guides/pc-cdrom/sheeptest.htm

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    More on topic, if your primary task will be to burn CDs -- dont get a Plexy -- not worth the price jump. Get yourself a solid 2-sheep burner (ASUS, Plexy, Liteon, etc) and get the venerable Pioneer DVD burner.
     
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    my primary goal isnt just for the cds. i want to get the plexy because of the dvd burning features it has and the speed it can perform them at.
     
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    I have had the Nec 2500a for awhile and not made one coaster to date. I've used several different brands of media, from what is called junk here to what is called the best here, and the burner works great with any and all. My system had no problem recognizing and using the burner from the moment I installed it. Maybe I just got a great drive, but I have no complaints. I have suggested this drive to several friends who also use it with great success.
     
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    Daemon buy the Pioneer and you wont regret it one bit
     
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    Praetor Moderator Staff Member

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    He will if he wants to do SD2/3 backups although i too would reccommend a Pioneer -- in conjunction with a 2-sheep burner
     
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    i copied loads of dvds ps2 games xbox games and all have copied perfectly well with my pioneer 107
     
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    Praetor Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes but copying PS2 games is one thing. Lybcrypt hasnt changed much TMK. PC Game protection has evolved PLENTY and 2-sheep burners are absolutely essential (its getting to the point that GOOD 2-sheep burners are becoming a neccessity)
     
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    max payne 2, nfsu, fifa 2004, loads more all perfectly well i honestly can say nothing hasnt copied on pioneer 107 it is a really good burner and alot cheaper than plextor
     
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    Are these PC games?

    As Praetor already stated, PC game protections such as SecuRom and SafeDisc are constantly evolving and get harder and harder to back up. They are very different than the protections used for PS2/Xbox.

    Try backing up a SafeDisc 3.2 or SecuRom 5.x game in you 107 and what we're talkin about will become clear :)
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    Max Payne 2 - SecuRom - 4.85.07.0022
    NFSU - Safedisc 2.90.040
    FIFA2004 - Safedisc 2.90.040
    You *might* be able to get away with making a backup of MP2 if you have a really good BWA but even then people with damn good burners have problems with SecureROM4.83+ as for the EA games -- those are both quite formidable versions of SafeDisc -- my personal favorite -- and when people with 1-sheepers started to find out it cant be done.
     
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    are u saying that this can be done 100% in the plextor and not on the pioneer?
     
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    Praetor Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes I am. Naturally there are freak cases for everything but a freak case here would be comparable to "getting 60 bullets in the head and walking around perfectly ok" -- its possible but damn near impossible at the same time. Come pay a visit to the CDR threads and check out the techniques and such for proper PC backups :)
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