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I agree with Jerry746. But I think the best system would be a hybrid system of Karma, Activity, (amount of posts) and Admin opinon.


--Rules--

If the member isn't contributing to the forum then they shouldn't advance.

If they are contributing to the forum but not contributing much (yall no what I mean... little one liners!) they shouldn't advance.

If non of the Mods notice a member which has a great Karma rating and a low Activity rating then the karma is probibly fraud.

-Same with all other cases. Low Karma - High Activity, High Karma - High Activity. If the member is that helpful or that active then there should be evidence.

--End Rules--


The Mods should act like Presidents, you know like the check and balance system used in the USA. Mods should have the power to approve or veto.

Well thats how my system would work.

Thanks for reading,
Ced

 

So what happens to people who have been here for a couple of years? Do we all have to start again? How do I prove that I helped someone months ago? I delete threads when they have been inactive for a month or so. Would I lose everything, as would many here?

[bold]I shan't return here if I have to start again.[/bold]

 

Good point Pulsar. That's why I think there would be too many complications to introduce a new system.

 

LMAO, hell if i have to start again im going to be realy pissed off!!, i like the current system, no need for change..the Karma system b/s has been going on for too long, no one realy seems to like it so why cant we just keep it the way we have it now, im sure everyone will be much happier

I realy dont wanna start aggain, it's just the same as being banned!!

 

I agree with Pulsar that starting a new system again and starting from the bottom won't work for older members. In the other forums I mentioned they gave some advanced credit to members for time as member and their present statis but many complained as usual about he got more credit that she did. Same old story. Under the old system the first 3 levels were by post count. The last 2 levels (Seniors and Addicts)were hand picked as it should be. There are enough Mods on here to do the job properly. Just because a member posts 2500 useless posts shouldn't make them an addict. The Karma system and Rep point system also have their faults. There has to be some control somewhere or there is no point to any of the systems. Back when I made senior it took me almost a years to do so. You only posted if you had information to answer a question. All the usless garbage wasn't allowed. If you didn't have anything to contribute to the thread you didn't post. Now we have people making addict in 3 months. I wonder how they do that. Like the thread that started saying [bold]This thread doesn't count towards post counts[/bold]. But it has over 1200 posts last time I looked. Everything has gotten way out of hand which is why I hang out on other forums now. Many of the members I looked up to when I started here no longer post and have moved on. I don't look for special treatment because I mod another forum. I don't treat newbies badly because I happen to have ADDICT under my name and I sure don't post useless junk so my post count gets higher than anyone elses. We need to start using the forum as it was intended. An information exchange not a chat room where your title is the most important thing you strive for. I miss the old days when an answer to a question came from a senior or addict you could almost be sure they knew what they were talking about because they were promoted for their knowledge on a subject, not how fast they could type posts. Sorry to go off again but I get that way when I see things going the wrong way.

Jerry

 

My post was a blanket statement not directed at anyone special. It was not meant to single out anyone but as a general direction things are going over the last year or so. Sorry if you took it personally, it wasn't meant for any single person.

Jerry

 

Hi,

I've tried to stay clear of "debates" like this but I think the karma system would be a double-edged sword until the usage could be specified as to whom would do the rating. For starters those that have been here for awhile (at least a year or more) should have leeway as they have weathered the test of time whether it being actually helping or post count. Sometimes folks will take the time to say thanks if the info provided helps them with their issue so there may be several who get overlooked. Secondly those that have developed acquaintances on here would have the upperhand as they would be apt to 'boost' each other (scenario) based on preference not necessarily the helpfulness. I'm learning everyday and have no problem with waiting to reach the next level as with each promotion comes a certain aspect of responsibility and some are not looking at it from that perspective. Many here just jump in posts simply to say 'yeah you won't go wrong or I agree with...' so how with that fit into the equation? Also I got jumped on foir this but I still feel if you are chasing the addict status by post count or keeping count of your posts then the karma system would be effective as those who waste posts stating about status or replies telling folks how to reply/ ask questions in a hostile manner (mind you there was a new forum rule implemented a few months back to deter that type of conduct) then the system would work if folks were honest and voted in accordance with the standards set by the powers that be.

In closing my thoughts not directed at anyone just after the last month or so a few have been banned either thru requests or blatant disregard and many are strictly chasing the addict status. Those that are already there excellent job (too many to name and I wish to slight no one)...yet I think the karma system would weed out those who are not exactly ready to move forth at this time.

 

Hi Matt, You have repeated many of my concerns with the suggested system. In reality, if everyone used the different systems properly they would work. The POST COUNT system now in place here would work great if everyone only posted answers that helped other members. As you stated there are those that are only looking to boost the title under their name. Same thing with a KARMA system. Those that belong to a certain group of friends will boost each other to no end. The other system I mentioned was the REP POINT system where each member earns REP POINTS and REP POWER. They can either + REP or - REP any member depending on how a question is answered. The amount of power you have depends on length of time on the forum and how you were repped by others. The problem with this is everyone gets what I call the MOD FEELING and could neg rep a person for no other reason than not liking them. I guess no system is perfect but I see more credit in one similar to the old system that was in place here before. If higher/long term members have some say in a promotion system by a vote from say for instance the MODS, then there in less chance of cheating the system. There isn't any perfect system and there will be complaints no matter which is used. In the real world promotions are USUALLY given for better than average work (at least most of the time). There are exceptions to every rule but thats how it should be.

Jerry

 

Had a case a while back where someone insisted that Shrink was a burn engine & he did not have a burn engine installed, he was adamant that he was right & I was wrong, what would happen then? What about the many, many people who come here for help & they never get back to us with the results? They only post 1 question & are never seen again! Where would the ratings go then?
I have been here for over 2 years & it took that long to get to addict, I admit that a lot (30%-ish were in the safety valve) As have many members, what happens then? What about the members who answer questions in their shoutboxes, they make the whole forum point go out of the window! What happens to them, do they get repremanded & lose points?

Oodles of questions......

 

a point system,this is what i think


as i vote down for a point system...

 

Yes sir Ireland, I agree with you. I remember well the reasons the system on here was changed (we won't get into that directly). But if I remember right the problem was between 3 or 4 members that made the mistake of hashing out their differences in open forum. It should have been done by e-mail or PM's. If it had been done properly we would probably still be running the old system of promotions which I think worked very well. If so I might still be a senior member instead of an addict but if that was the case it would mean I should work harder to help out. Seeing an addict title at that time was like seeing a UFO, LOL. When you did see one, I remember thinking, wow that guy must know everything. Even the senior members were low in number. Just not the same anymore.

Jerry

 

i hate the idea of being graded with points,and i never worried about a post count.ever since i came on to the afterdawn site all i hear is how meny posts i have.

what started this is the name newbie...drd knows i never liked the name newbie for any one starting out here,i asked drd to change in 2002 to new member for starters.,then after 50 posts go to member.and what ever...
i am tired and going to bed..

 

I don't post just to get a title, but it is a nice form of recognition. Titles don't mean much, so why not all just be members? Post counts don't mean much either, lots of "I agree" etc don't really help. I have to agree with what Ireland says too, we are graded all our lives, put into pigeon holes.
Then there is all the useless threads here, they just keep popping up, cartoons, sport, movies, the list goes on....
I have helped loads here & lately I just cannot be bothered. Same old questions, people not using their intelligence & trying things for themselves, people not saying a simple thank you, all disheartening. I see addicts left right & centre, some do it in a couple of months! I have always been selective in my posts, I still only have 2800 posts in over 2yrs.
Don't know what the answer here is, possibly leaving it as it is.

 

hey everyone...ok here are my two cents...when i first joined afterdawn some months ago..i was like hell yeah a ranking system..it was fun at first...but truthfully now when i get on, i really don't look at anyone's title anymore...you can pretty much tell from their post on whether or not they are knowledgeable(sorry if misspelled )...i wouldn't mind too much if the titles were taken out...i really didn't join to get into a popularity contest, i joined so that i could learn and possibly help others out...hell this community has people coming from other sites that have vast amounts of knowledge and help everyone out, but yet they have a junior or newbie ranking...if there is a change in the ranking system...then i would vote towards the karma system(even if it is flawed..on the level of whether or not points are set for the amount of help shown)...at least then you would have some understanding of helpfullness and knowledge...or maybe another solution would be that the safety valve forums could be left from the post counts...these are my two cents...but hey everyone is entitled to there own opinions, and i'm going to stick around on this site no matter what happens to the titles and rankings...love it too much..holla

 

Ok i have read wat every1 has written and they are all valid points that can work. IO feel as i have stated b4 that the sys shouldnt really change...

But in sayin that the current system can b altered if possible.

What i mean is like post the are made in:

1. Saftey Valvue
2. All other topics
3. Afterdawn Announcment and Suggestions

Should not be added too a users post count, mainly because these forums are for relaxation and suggestions are mainly that not really issues.

 

sounds like a solid idea.