Really having a speed issue

Discussion in 'DVDR' started by stros, Dec 14, 2005.

  1. brobear

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    I've not seen enough ROMs or Burners that could read fast enough to cause a problem. That setting under Devices in the Decrypter "Settings" is Max as the default. I've never worried about that one and in fact this is one of the few times I've heard it mentioned as any type of remedy. With AnyDVD and Decrypter running together, most reads are only near 8X part of the time. Most of the time it's slower. So I don't try to give the hardware a fixed setting it has to try to attain. You can play with it, but I doubt there will be a difference unless you set it too slow.
     
  2. brobear

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    On the matter of shrinking to a single layer disc. Neither DVD Decrypter or AnyDVD do that. That's where DVD Shrink or another of the trancoding apps come in. Shrink is free, Recode2 is part of Nero, DVDCopy 4 from InterVideo, CloneDVD2 from SlySoft, and Rebuilder using one of it's supported encoders are some "shrinking" apps that readily come to mind that are considered to be some of the better apps. My personal favorites are Rebuilder with Cinema Craft Encoder (you can read about it here at AD), DVDCopy 4, and Recode 2. Rebuilder is notoriously slow, but it's high quality. With the HC encoder and the freeware version Rebuilder can be used for free. I have the Pro version and use CCE. http://www.dvd-rb.com just in case you want to check it out. http://www.intervideo.com for the DVDCopy4 (pay attention to required software). http://www.slysoft.com for the CloneDVD2 trial. Nero is coded on this site, but it's www.Nero.com in the address box.
     
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  3. alkohol

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    Brobear, I agree. My Toshiba SD M1802 will rip at 4.04X using DVD Decrypter (with settings at 8X) and my SONY DRU710A will rip at 8.08X. I wonder if stros's burner has any riplocked? Therefore, I'm asking stros to update on the firmware. Other than that, the slowing could possibly be an DMA issues.
     
  4. brobear

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    alkohol
    He said he checked the DMA and it was on. You're right, it's always a good idea to check the firmware. I'm thinking the problem may be in the difference between using a desktop and then going to a laptop. In my experience and from what I've heard, laptops are just slower with their built in burners. The times don't seem to be that far off except for a 35 minute rip with Decrypter. But I've had some slow reads on my desktop that took over 20 minutes. 3 factors came into play on the long ones, encryption, file size, and disc condition. When all 3 work against you, the system has to "grunt" along. stros is still working on the different segments of the backup process and how they fit together and what apps do what. I used to have a fixed article I wrote for beginners, but I lost it on my last format.

    Putting it to the short description, there are 3 segments to a backup.
    1) [bold]Decrypt the source,[/bold] can be done with a background decrypter like AnyDVD or with a ripper like DVD Decrypter that decrypts as it rips to the HDD. Some apps, like DVD Shrink incorporate decryption software. Shrink is no longer supported, so the decryption software is outdated. More recently Decrypter lost support, so as time passes, it becomes more obsolete.
    2) [bold]Transcode or encode,[/bold] depends on the software, for the novice this means shrinking the source to fit to the recordable media. A lot of apps are available, I mentioned some, RB/CCE, Recode2, Shrink...
    3) [bold]Burn.[/bold]Simply recording to the recordable media.

    I guess one could have added edit, but that isn't a required step. I was keeping it basic. For the newbie that's new to this, there are programs that will do all the steps, some of the steps and some have a single purpose. Decrypter rips, decrypts and can be used as a burner. Shrink decrypts, transcodes, but it needs a burner. With obsolete decryption software, it sometimes needs an auxiliary decrypter. AnyDVD is a background decrypter. It has some nice additional touches, but it's main purpose is to decrypt. Nero Burning ROM is a burner. It is part of the Nero suite. Blindwrite form VSO is another burner. The various recording suites have a burner. CloneDVD2 transcodes and burns, but it needs a decrypted source. AnyDVD and CloneDVD2 being from the same source, they play well together. That should give an idea of what the backup procedure consists of.

    Each step takes it's own block of time. Sometimes if multiple apps are used, some steps may get repeated, adding additional time. Streamlining for stros using the Shrink he already has, the best bet is to open AnyDVD, insert a good condition DVD, open Shrink, do the Shrink thing, and have Shrink set to burn with DVD Decrypter or Nero Burning ROM. If either app is on the system, just setting Shrink does the job. Just remember if you go back to use Decrypter as a ripper, you may need to change the mode setting. Shrink has a habit of leaving Decrypter in ISO W (write). Personally, I like having a ripped source on the HDD to work with. With some apps it's actually faster.

    The last segment wasn't for you alkohol. LOL

     
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  5. stros

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    thanks for the feedback on the Apps that i can use..

    As far as the firmware goes, how can I check if mine is the most recent one, or update it if it isn't
     
  6. brobear

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    Most manufacturers have a website with support. If no manufacturer site, I would think you'd have a support phone number. I've checked and updated mine through internet support. There are some independent sites that supply the info. Be careful, there's some hacked firmware available for some drives and the results aren't always good.
     
  7. alkohol

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    @stros

    Looks like your firmware is a bit outdated, it's newest/latest firmware is PSX3, go here http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1949 and get it to update your burner's firmware. Hopefully that'll speed up the ripping process.
     
  8. stros

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    working like a charm! Thanks for all your help guys, I really Appericate it.
     
  9. brobear

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    You're welcome. Glad to be of assistance; what little it may have been. ;)
     
  10. alkohol

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    You're welcome. Glad we could help.
     

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