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Ritek short vs. long strategy

Discussion in 'CD-R(W) Media' started by jimbob, Jul 20, 2002.

  1. jimbob

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    I've recently been able to buy a bunch of Ritek disks. I've used Riteks before and they're were usually dependable and one of the better disks around. The previous ones I had were all short strategy. However, this batch, supposedly certified for 32x are long strategy (cyanine). This is the ATIP:

    ATIP: 97m 15s 12f
    Disc Manufacturer: Ritek Co.
    Reflective layer: Dye (Long strategy; e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.)
    Media type: CD-Recordable
    Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
    nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f / LBA: 359849)

    Does anyone know if any particular one is better? The short strategy ones or the long strategy ones? Both seem to burn fine, but I'm just curious...
     
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    Cyanine is less sun-resistant and tends to be pickier at high speeds, but the high-speed cyanine from Ritek and other reputable manufacturers tend to be actually rather good.

    I've never had problems with Ritek Cyanine media, and I've got some disks that are a couple years old, so they're also recommended.

    Cyanine used to pass through hard times, but now there're great high-speed cyanine discs, and Ritek still makes them even in their 48x line, so they're still great discs.
     
  3. Almighty1

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    Heh, I think with CMC's Cynanine, it's still in hard times... Makes you wonder why after all the time they've had, they would fix the problems already! ;)
     
  4. fallen_br

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    Well, CMC's definitely not on my list of reputable manufacturers! :)
    It's not only their cyanine that's bad, be assured!
     
  5. Almighty1

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    Really? The funny thing is I remember people 5 years ago saying their Gold/Green media was good but all the bad quality complaints is on their blue dye ;)

     
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    I'd guess that those CMC discs that people praised 5 years ago must be 95% gone now... *g*
     
  7. Almighty1

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    No idea... There are plenty of people on the anandtech.com forums praising the Philips/Imation CMC discs. Maybe they just work well reliably with certain writers or something.
     
  8. jase

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    Well the green CMC discs were the same as the blue ones in terms of dye, only the reflective surface was changed. As gold-backed discs tended to be more resilient than silver, some of those old discs may still be around...
     
  9. Almighty1

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    jase...

    interesting... My friend had a Imation printed 16x 80min CDR that was CMC and green and it failed to. Mines is the 12x 74min unlabeled Imation made by CMC except it's blue. Does this mean the dye is the same except they did something on the top layer to make it look a different color?
     
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    Almighty1: I believe jase wasn't talking about this kind of "pale" green of the imation 16x (phthalocyanine), which uses a different dye, but actually of a deep green that is cyanine on a golden backing, that is as of now unavailable, I believe, like most of the 1-2x media.
     
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    Cyanine should be more tolerant to non-optimal laser power, but as mentioned before it is not the most stable dye on the market. I have been using cyanine Ritek every now and then for few years (ever since 8x media) and so far so good.
     
  12. Almighty1

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    fallen_br:

    I think I know what you're talking about now. It's the gold top CDR's with the dye looking green. I actually have some of those but I doubt they are CMC since the ones I had were Ricoh 4x 74min Made in Japan 5 years ago which I don't think I still have as I threw the CDR's away when the stuff on it was obselete but the other one I have has no info at all with Feurio! CD Writer. How does one do the ATIP in Nero or Nero InfoTool?

    ATIP info from disk - Read by Feurio 1.65
    Recorder: HP - DVD Writer 200j
    ATIP start of lead in: -02:33:00 (sector: -11475)
    ATIP start of lead out: 74:30:00 (sector: 335250)
    Manufacturer code: 97 27 00
    Reference speed: -
    Minimum recording speed: -
    Maximum recording speed: -
    Unrestriced use: No
    Disc type: Not Rewriteable
    Disc subtype: 0
    Target writing power: 6
    Power multiplication factor:-
    Target y value: -
    Erase/writer power ratio: -
     
  13. fallen_br

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    Yes, that's exactly the type of discs I was talking about. All the first discs are like this, some are rather good, like the ones made in Japan. Those are more resistant than the dark blue cyanine discs due to using a gold backing, as you yourself say. I've got some TDKs and a Dysan (TY) from that era that still work fine.

    Manufacturer code: 97 27 00

    This manufacturer code is a generic one that indicates that the manufacturer cannot be discovered by the ATIP, could be anyone.
     
  14. Almighty1

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    Interesting so the Green color CDR's with the gold top are really blue dyes but the Gold top layer is what makes it look green? Also, I have some Taiwan made Dysan's which seems to be the same company as Memorex when I bought them a year or so ago. Dysan used to be one of the best storage media makers before the CDR era.
     
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    If I remember correctly old RICOHs were same as Maxell and manufactured by Ricoh.

    ATIP: 97m 27s 66f
    Disc Manufacturer: Ricoh Company Ltd.
    Reflective layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
    Media type: CD-Recordable
    Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
    nominal Capacity: 651.86MB (74m 12s 00f / LBA: 333750)
     
  16. Almighty1

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    cd-rw.org:

    Are you sure about that one? Since I remembered no one complained about Ricoh CDR's but people who were using Gold Maxell's were complaining about coasters and I remember reading that the CDR's were made by Maxell.

     
  17. BillyG

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    Some of the earlier Ricoh 74 minute CD-R's were made by KAO - whatever happened to this company?

     
  18. Almighty1

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    No idea what happened to KAO. Is that a Japanese company as well? I don't have any Ricoh media here anymore since I trashed the discs but kept the jewel cases. Whatever happened to Dysan?
     
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    Dysan?

    I still see some stores selling the 3.5 floppies here in Canada.

    I've still got some 5.25 and 8 inch Dysan floppies.
     
  20. Almighty1

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    I actually bought Dysan CDR's that were 12x 74min 650mb in jewel cases 10 packs but it seemed to be marketed by Memorex.
     

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