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Discussion in 'Safety valve' started by philipman, Apr 2, 2005.

  1. goodswipe

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    Crash? How are you going to crash? You are perfectly aware of what's going on at all times and I bet you are OVERLY cautious when driving, am I right? Now alcohol is a different story. When you decide to drink a few beers or slam some shots and get real drunk - hell even buzzed - you feel like you are on top of the world and drive like you probably would never drive sober. I know this because I USE to be one of those people. With pot, you don't do those things. You stay in your lane and you are very cautious. True pot smokers out there know what I'm talking about.

    I do it all the time, I've been smoking for about 11 years now. I smoke pot while on the way to a movie. The only way to watch a movie, eat a really good meal, or go kayaking is to do it stoned. Now I wouldn't recommend this to someone that has never smoked or is an occasional smoker. The only thing that would happen to someone that is a first time smoke, is they would become really paranoid and in that case, they probably aren't going to drive anyways.

    There have been ZERO documented deaths in the WORLD due to smoking pot. Until then, everyone needs to stop slamming it. I have a book at the house with death statistics ranging from alcohol, suicide, cancer, smoking cigarettes, etc. I'll post those results tomorrow.
     
  2. Auslander

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    Defend it all you want; far be it from me to tell someone what they can or cannot do to themselves. But don't pretend 1.) it's not addictive...all substances can be addictive, if not physically, then mentally; or 2.) the long term health effects are less than that of alcohol or tobacco. I've seen firsthand the damage done by people that would be "chainsmokers" or "alcoholics" if they were using different substances. It may not cause cancer as quickly or eat your liver, but it makes you soft between the ears. There are too many people that don't have the gray matter to spare for that kind of damage.

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    Goodswipe: congratulations on moving your dependence from one substance to another. That painful ol' sober reality sure harshes your buzz, doesn't it? My God, how can anyone enjoy life when they can't taste the colors? -_-

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    One more time, I don't have any problem with other people druggin' however they want, as long as no one else is hurt involuntarily. I don't use those substances, as it is my personal opinion that anyone who needs such a mind-altering substance to enjoy life is weak and is living a shell of a life. (Note: I used the word "needs." I want no backlash) But don't pretend that any substance is safer than any other. They can all become quite dangerous in the wrong situation.
     
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  3. goodswipe

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    I'm not pretending that it isn't addictive. What things in life that are fun and you find lots of enjoyment in doing aren't addictive? The only addicting thing about pot would be the mental part - thinking you need to smoke. Other then that, there's nothing wrong with it. And who said I was dependent on alcohol? All I said was that I use to drink and drive when I shouldn't have, I never said I was an alcoholic.

    Could you please clarify what you meant here?
     
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  4. Auslander

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    That's my only response for your first paragraph.

    As for the other bit, I meant that I've known people that used pot as much and for as long as a chainsmoker used cigarettes or and alcoholic consumed alcohol, and I've seen the damage that it has done to their minds.

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    The fellow I work with at the desk next to me says that your asking for clarification has proved my point.
     
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  5. goodswipe

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    I was asking for clarification because to me that didn't make much sense. I wasn't sure if you were referring to pot or not, that's all. And actually, I don't smoke pot out of a bong or papers but every once in awhile, I smoke out of a vaporizer. So I'm doing less damage to my lungs then you are by smoking cigarettes. And damage it's done to their minds? That's the most absurd thing I've heard all day! Those fella's must have been doing much worse things then pot.

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    I never said that I "need" it to enjoy life, it just makes somethings more entertaining and enjoyable. Just like you love to smoke a cigarette I'm sure after eating dinner, it's the same thing. So please don't knock me or anyone else's lifestyle for something they enjoy. This thread was a discussion about smoking, it wasn't intended to be knocked upon.
     
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  6. Auslander

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    I was running my posts past other people to make sure it made sense. ::shrug::


    I never said you were doing a lot of damage to your lungs...in fact, I seem to recall saying something along the lines of "it may be slower to cause cancer" or such; also, if you read my previous posting, I quit smoking all together...not really relevant, but I had promised my girl I would.

    You don't have to believe me, but it's true. In particular, I had an ex whose dad never did anything but pot, and he was so far gone after 30 years that it was scary sometimes.

    They might have been, but I doubt it for most of them.

    You've been putting out pretty regularly for it for 11 years. That makes it a habit, and a habit is a need.

    I sure do, but I never did it more than a few times a month, and it never took me away from complete and sober alertness.

    Nah, tobacco kills the aftertaste of a good meal.

    I'm not; I stated so quite prominently above. I, however, not allow people to pretend that it's any better than any other drug, nor blatantly state so on an internet forum that might influence the decisions of others beyond what they would normally use their own judgment and experiences for.

    This thread was about smoking tobacco, a universally legal substance. People ripped on that, brought up marijuana, and ripped on that. I put in a vote for it to be closed if we can't return to discussion of tobacco in the near future. All other discussions of marijuana have been promptly closed in the past, and I'm surprised this has gone on as long as it has.
     
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  7. corn

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    Well.. I wouldn't say you're perfectly aware, when I hit a bong, I could hardly walk, and I couldn't drink water at all. The only thing I could do was sit there- and throwup. I can also make the assumption that the more you smoke the better that gets? That as in me not being able to walk, or drink, and throwing up. So I wouldn't say theres no way you can crash, because I think that someone who gets baked out of there mind can't do anything without help (like walking).
     
  8. svtstang

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    Think I have to agree with Aus as much as it pains me to do so :/

    During my high school years, I was the definition of stoner. An 1/8 a day was common. My buddies and I would skip 1st period to get baked....damn near everyday.

    I was not myself. My memory was that of somebody with dementia. I could not remember the simplest of things....if classes were not so damn easy I could have in trouble.

    Some people are generalizing too much. It is great that you are not addicted, can drive perfectly, etc., but this is far from the truth for all people. I was mentally addicted, if I was not getting stoned I was fiending for weed. My senses were dulled, and I was pretty much out of it.

    Thankfully I kicked the habit before college started. There is absolutely no way I could have achieved what I did in the time I did if I chose to continue smoking weed. To each their own though, there are obvious negative aspects to mary jane, if you want to recognize them or not, that is up to you. In hindsight, I can clearly see the damage I was doing to myself, physically and mentally. Fat and dull....no thanks.
     
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  9. Auslander

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    Yupp, I sure am a pain. My logic is like an acid enema. >.>

    In other news, SP3 sucks hardcore when updating computers one at a time across a campus. >.<
     
  10. goodswipe

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    It's not a habit, it's more of a hobby. It's something I enjoy doing just as I'm sure there are things you enjoy doing - like your furry business. If I had to quit smoking pot, I could do it - I had to do it several years ago for over a year and a half, no issues became of it.

    Do you know what a vaporizer is? I'm sure you don't since you do not smoke pot. The only thing your lungs take in is pure THC. There is no smoke involved, thus no carcinogens. Besides, there are thousands of other things in the world that you and I consume that can cause cancer - pot is the least of my worries.


    Hmm, maybe a few other things contributed to that, other then him smoking pot? That's a pretty biased thing to say given that you don't have any true facts other then, "he smoked pot for 30 years". There are zero documented facts that smoking pot will make someone dumb. I hold a 70k a year job and pot has yet to interfere with my career.


    It was? I could of sworn the title to this thread read, "smokers thread", no where in the title did it state, "smokers thread - cigs only", and since that's a pretty broad term, I'm going to continue to talk about pot and cigarettes. Also, pot isn't illegal everywhere. How do you know that me or anyone else here, isn't a medicinal card holder?



    Now for you corn

    You wouldn't say that you are perfectly aware? Maybe because your are only a 14 year old and you aren't capable of smoking - think that could be the problem? Like I've said in previous posts, most first time smokers such as yourself corn, don't need to be behind the wheel anyways - hell you aren't even legally able to drive. Throwing up and all that silly stuff is something a first time smoker does, so we know what class you fit in. Silly corn, pot is for grown ups - LOL!
     
  11. Auslander

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    Then for the life of me I can't understand why you would do it on such a regular basis. To me, it is such a waste.

    You're getting off track. My posting was in reference to the damage done to the mind. I was saying it was just as bad as the damage tobacco may do to the lungs or alcohol may do to the liver.

    Live long enough and you're guaranteed cancer, I know this.

    That's great, but there are exceptions to every rule. I can speak only from my experience, but that experience has been that pot was the main factor in the mental deterioration of these people.

    The original post was about kools, putting this thread in the context of tobacco. Also, I never said pot was illegal everywhere, I said that tobacco was legal everywhere, hence our ability to discuss it. Piracy is legal in some countries, but we still can give out direct links to downloads; same deal here.

    I call complete bullshit. Not capable of smoking? Dude, it's inhale and exhale. Anyone outside of an ironlung is capable. He may not be an experienced smoker, but that's complete different from not being capable.

    [bold]Smokers[/bold] don't need to be behind the wheel. I don't care if you become paranoid and think you're a better driver or whatever. You are in an affected mental state, no different from someone in distress, depression, or drunkenness, and you should not be driving at all. To say otherwise shows how poor your judgment is and how you really don't give two shits for the well-being of the innocent people around you.

    Pot is for people that are so stressed out they have no other way to relax, for people with legitimate medical reasons, for people that can use it without putting others at risk, and for the idiots that fall through the cracks. Get off your high horse, Mr. Experience. It's not respectable.
     
  12. goodswipe

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    Hmm, that sounds more like you were being irresponsible and you shouldn't have been smoking anyways. You had a choice to either stay in school and do well, or go and smoke pot - you chose wrong. Pot didn't make you do that, your irresponsible decisions did that.


    Dementia huh? Sounds like you were doing acid or some other mind altering drug. Think you might of had some other issues like ADD or learning disabilities?


    Funny you say that. I can tell you how many calories I've already consumed today, pot hasn't made me fat. I workout five times a day plus put in a 5 mile run in the mornings then another 2 miles before I do my weight training.

    So I'm just going to say that maybe some of you are right, pot isn't for everyone - especially irresponsible people such as yourself svtstang. I don't recommend high school kids to smoke either (look at svtstang and corn), pot is intended for responsible adults and cancer/pain patients that can handle the benefits of pot. Also, some of you guys should do a little research on marijuana and the government before you talk down on it so much.
     
  13. corn

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    I'm capable, just not capable of clearing a 2 foot bong in one hit. Nah, maybe the big kid toys arn't my style, but smoking a rello, or a joint, or a bowl- thats kiddie stuff :).
     
  14. svtstang

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    I will not turn to personal shots as you have goodswipe. I have done right by myself, from high school, to college, and now in my current profession. You do not know me well enough on a personal level to question my mental well being (learning disability because weed affected my memory....wtf??), especially when I remark about events that occurred around 8 years ago. And I was a child then yes....most people that think weed is cool begin experimenting during high school. I am 23 now....do not call me a child.

    Smoke all you want. Aus has made a shit load of valid points that I do not feel I must rehash. It seems to me that you are trying more to convince yourself about how little weed can affect you then trying to civilly discuss the matter.

    And work out 5 times a day? Bit of an obsessive personality, eh?
     
  15. goodswipe

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    Yea, and that's just your opinion. Just like I don't understand your furry fetish.


    Wrong again, I recall you saying this, "it may be slower to cause cancer", sounds like you said smoking pot will cause cancer.


    Aus, you know what you meant by that statement - come on. By you saying that you were trying to imply that we shouldn't talk about it. Also, the thread still reads, "smokers thread", so if you don't like people talking about pot, maybe you should suggest that a mod change the thread title?


    Whatever dude, you hold some childish grudge against pot, which you know nothing about, so you need to get off your high hoarse. And when I say he's not capable of smoking (which I was poking fun at him), I'm talking about him smoking too much or not needing to smoke at all. People that smoke for the first time usually have problems like that because anxiety sets in and they get sick to their stomach. I know corn and his ways, so you can leave me and him out of your ridiculous argument.



    How in the hell can you compare alcohol to marijuana? There are ZERO documented traffic deaths from marijuana. There are over 70,000 (US only) documented deaths and accidents from alcohol just in 2007. Sorry man, you can't compare the two. You sound like just like Henry Anslinger, old and unaware of marijuana and its effects.


    Hmm, I don't get you man. You slam pot and say that people shouldn't do it, but yet you say it's ok for people that are stressed out and for people with legitimate medical reasons to use it. So which is it bro, you can't be so wish washy here.
     
  16. goodswipe

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    Personal shots? You were trying to imply, just as aus was, that it effects people so much that it makes them retarded. To me, that was a personal shot at me. I am an avid smoker and I am far from retarded.

    I am trying to discuss this on a adult level. I feel that I have made valid points myself. Neither of you know the truth about marijuana and you need to do a little bit of research before you start to shoot me down. I will be more then happy to provide links to the both of you.

    Obsessive, hardly. I call it trying to stay fit and live a long and healthy life. Maybe you guys should try it, it's an excellent way to relieve daily stress - even better when you smoke a bowl afterwards! ;)


    **update**

    All this quoting is becoming a bit redundant, eh?

    P.S.

    I love both of you guys, how bout we just shake hands? ^..^
     
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  17. svtstang

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    I cannot speak for Aus, but speaking for myself, I do understand "the truth" about weed. If you read my first post, I said my complaint with your argument is that you are over generalizing. Like you, I drove like a champ stoned, but just because I did does not mean everybody else who smokes does.

    I am not against you at all, but I do not agree with some of your statements where you transpose your experience on others. I have always been highly motivated, but bud made me feel lazy, BUT, I will not say it makes everybody the same way. THC, just like the active ingredient in any drug, will affect us all differently....that is all I was really trying to get across.

    Funny thing is I would probably work out more if I had the time. I hit the stair master (wow typing stair master makes it sound really lame) 5 times a week for 75 minutes...any more then that and I would die from exhaustion :p

    And yeah, the quoting is starting to hurt my head :/

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    /shakes hand. Like I said, I meant no ill will. Topics like these do tend to get personal quickly though...tis the way of the beast.
     
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    First off. Bongs, steamrollers and other big things are the real kiddy stuff. That's how you get caught. Too much paraphernalia, too big, and too obvious. Pipes for life. The point of weed(for me at least) is to smoke a bowl, catch your buzz, and relax for a while. I don't use it as an escape, I use it to keep my self sane.

    All of you guys make valid points. I'm not gonna restart all of this quoting BS again, but I will say this: Smoking pot is a choice you make for yourself. Getting behind the wheel stoned is a choice you make yourself. When it hits the fan, right, wrong, or indifferent, the cops don't give a flying f*** about how pot affects you. They only care that you made the choice to drive stoned.

    Be cool and never make it obvious that you are high. You'd be surprised how many people are stoners for life but never get caught once.
     
  19. goodswipe

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    Right on, well I belong to this organization that's why I feel so strong about this subject. Read up on it, very informative.

    On the lazy subject, of course that's how your going to feel! It's suppose to relax you. But you do know that there are thousands of strains of marijuana that do different things to you. Some can be very uplifting, some can give you couch lock, and some can relieve pain and anxiety. All depends on when the strain is harvested and what genetics it carries. I have anxiety issues so I like to smoke Strawberry Cough, read up on some things my friend.


    http://norml.org/
     
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    It depends on the type of person you are, some people get addicted to coffee, (with withdrawl symptoms) some are addicted to video games, some aren't addicted to anything and can use things without the desire to do it again. Personally I smoke weed say 7 times a month? And some months I go without any, I haven't had any in two months as I'm heading to amsterdam in July, but I don't think it is addictive to everyone. That's just like saying that anyone who drinks alcohol will become addicted to it, which simply isn't true. Likewise with those cigars that you smoke.
    I've seen people with awful awful caffeine withdrawal symptoms and it really isn't very nice, violent shaking, loss of appetite etc. But like I said not everyone is prone to these effects. There are tons of dutch studies disproving many of the negative health aspects of cannabis. Don't get me wrong, smoking anything isn't good for you, but using a vaporiser or baking cannabis ca get rid of up to 99% of the carcinogens. Cannabis is a psycho-active chemical which I assume is why you consider it to be able to "make you go soft between the ears" but so is caffeine, and there are countless numbers of legal medicine which have very serious negative effects on one's health. This is where the moderation and self-control comes in handy and applies to alcohol as well as weed.

    Of course come substances are more dangerous than others. Take ecstasy for example, one of the major risks is overheating, yet with cannabis what can it be? Eating too much? I suppose you could say getting hit with a car, but everyone is prone to that, even without using any kind of substance, but weed would not impair one's judgment as ecstasy or LSD would.
     

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