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The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.

Discussion in 'Blu-ray players' started by Ryu77, Mar 14, 2008.

  1. odin24

    odin24 Regular member

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    Backed up, just didn't watch it yet.
     
  2. tripplite

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    excellent!!! am just really afraid of new AACS thats all:)

    THANKS!
    -tripplite
     
  3. odin24

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    Just make sure you have the most recent AnyDVDHD all of the time. One thing I found strange is 9Down.com release a newer version before the Slysoft site did, mind you it was out on Slysoft hours later.

    My trial expires in a few days, I really want to upgrade cause this proggy rules... but no $$$.
     
  4. odin24

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    I need some opinions guys/ladies.

    I think my blank D/L DVDs suck, at least I think that is my problem. At the layer break my movies either get really choppy or even pause for about five seconds, then back to smooth sailing and a beautiful looking movie.

    What brand of D/L DVDs is everyone else using?
     
  5. eTiMaGo

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    Same thing here with Riteks... "layer change may trigger a slight pause" after all ;)
     
  6. NexGen76

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    I use Verbs(Verbatim)only they are the best DL on the market.I never mess with anything else.Also i burn no more than 4X speed never above that.Try some Verbs & see will that help you & also burn @ 4X plus don't have any other application running on your PC not even the Internet when your burning.Here are some Verbs.



    Newegg :23.99

    Verbatim 8.5GB 8X - 10X DVD+R DL 15 Pack

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130029

    Best price so far but that will change tomorrow so check Sunday paper sells ads.






     
  7. odin24

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    Thanks for the input peeps. I live in Canada but I do travel to the USA often to do some shopping. Next time I'm near BB or CC I'll have a look there as well.
     
  8. NexGen76

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  9. odin24

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    I've tried this ULead before, your options are very limited. The source must either be VC1 or mpge2. I didn't really care for it... then again I tried to recode to HDDVD.

    I believe you can use MeGUI/AviSynth to recode to h264 from whatever the codec is on the HDDVD... actually I know you can, just I haven't done this myself. Ryu77 has done this and he'd be the best one to guide you.

    Maybe try this;
    1. Rip the HDDVD to your PC.
    2. Then use tsMuxeR to append (if the video stream is in two parts) and mux to m2ts.
    3. Recode in MeGUI using Ryu77's Blu-Ray profile.

    Now I'm not sure if the recode will remove the 3:2 pulldown (29.97fps to 23.976fps). If it doesn't run through h264info and remove it there. 23.976fps is what make the video stream Blu-Ray compliant. Usually HDDVDs run at 29.97fps, also going from one to the other will not change the duration of the movie so the audio stream will no lose sync.

    After that mux everything together with tsMuxeR to either m2ts or Blu-Ray... whichever flavour you choose. I like the Blu-Ray structure, that way I can incorporate DTS audio and subs to all of my recodes.

    Like I said, I have never done this so maybe this might be a huge waste of time for you. So maybe wait for confimation from Ryu77.

    Also, the commercial software in his guide you refered to in glenharrison.com is pretty expensive. tsMuxeR can demux the core audio stream from HD audio streams. You can use eac3to with eac3toGUI to convert a DD+ track to AC3 640kbps or DTS 1536kbps.

    @Ryu77
    I too have been meaning to try this out, could you please verify if this is the correct way to go.
     
  10. odin24

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    I actually did some experimenting myself, I tried to convert a HDDVD to AVCHD with great success. You do not need Sonic Scenarist and definetly do not need ULead.

    AnyDVD HD - to rip to PC
    Use EVOdemux - demux streams
    tsMuxeR - remove 3:2 pulldown (29.97fps-->23.976fps) in the video stream, also use this to append the split files, I suggest running the video and audio streams separately (rather than both in a container)
    eac3to/eac3toGUI - convert the HD audio stream (DD+ or TrueHD) to regular AC3 or DTS (DTS requires Surcode and the Sonic encoding filter)
    Run the video stream from the HDDVD that is appended together, muxed to m2ts in MeGUI/AviSynth, recode to h264 using Ryu77's Blu-Ray profile, also deinterlace if your source file is interlaced. Then mux everything together with tsMuxeR.

    I think Scenarist was required before tsMuxeR could output to Blu-Ray profile... also for subtitles.

    Good luck and have fun!

    If this seems like it is too much, try experimenting on a 10 minute sample, remember tsMuxeR can Split/Cut now. Plus you can get your technique down fairly quicky with less encoding time.
     
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  11. NexGen76

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    Thxs i will try this later on this weekend.My friend told me that Ripbot264 has been updated june 24 to accept HD-DVD.But your way sound alot better & some what just like Blu-Ray encoding.Thxs
     
  12. NexGen76

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  13. odin24

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    Correct. When you load the EVO file in tsMuxeR it will show you it's stats... codec, framerate, resolution, etc. So right there it will say 1920x1080i or 1080p. If the source requires the removal of 3:2 pulldown it will most likely be 1080i.

    The deinterlacing takes place in the MeGUI/Avisynth recode process.
     
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    Hi there

    Found this thread, amongst others, after quite a bit of Google searching. As ever, I've found lots of useful info, but never quite what I want (or quite enough for me to adapt).

    First off, my aim is this:

    1) To simply place a Blu-Ray disk into my home media server (running Ubuntu/Linux)
    2) It will auto-detect it, and rip the files or ISO into a directory, and eject
    3) Then it will automatically transcode/recode to a smaller h.264 file, with a profile that would give good results for a 720p TV and 5.1 surround.
    4) It would also then transcode/recode into a 'mobile' format, suitable for about an iphone resolution screen, and only stereo.
    5) I would get an email when it's done.
    6) I would then find two files like: /media/films/300.mp4 and /media/mobile/films/300, ready for playback

    Now, I realise first off there are a couple of variables which would make the automation problematic:

    1) Foreign films would have sub-titles - I would therefore a)whether to use subs at all (it wouldn't know if it was a foreign film), and b) which of the subtitles to use if more than one. Potentially, the later could be automated by checking if there are a high proportion of matches to an English dictionary)

    2) Which audio track to use - I think I could make this automatic by simply having a preference list IE TrueHD first, then DTS, then DD, then 2.1

    3) Which video track to use - I don't know about this one. Is there some dependable standard for the 'main' track filename(s)?

    Apart from those problems, then there's the actual software required. Two things here:

    1) Most of the FAQs I see use Windows-based tools
    2) Even assuming I can use WINE to run them, I'd really need tools which can be run from a command line if I want to automate.

    Other steps I could introduce to the 'auto' script:

    1) Have a stage that only does a small portion first, and then emails me a link to the sample output. I can then just click 'ok' if it's fine, or 'cancel' if I need to tweal
    2) Could be even more advanced, and have a link to a web gui that emailed once the ripping part has finished, that gives me a sample of each of the audio tracks, subs, and video tracks.

    I'd like to extend this 'auto' rip function to DVDs and CDs too, but let's just keep it to the Blu-Ray in this forum/thread!

    Finally, I'm not even sure of a few fundamentals:

    1) BR disks, so far as I know, vary betwen around 40 to 20 GB in size. What, ballpark, is an achievable file size with little or no reduction in quality on a 720p TV / 5.1 amp

    2) How long would this take on a good dual core machine? I assume we're talking aroudn 12 hours?

    3) Is the quality of a BR disk, recoded to a smaller version, going to be any better than a DVD? IE Is all this even worth it?


    Would be most grateful for your input on this.

    Thanks

    Marcos
     
  15. NexGen76

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    Okay odin24 i'm stuck how do i know which audio track to use? & which one is DTS so i can avoid that one?


    Also my audio is DD+ but for some reason eac3toGUI is saying unsupported audio.
     
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  16. odin24

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    Are you using evodemux? If so you need the first steam, also... under the options tab you need to set the output extension type for each stream, eg vc1 or h264, AC3 or DTS, etc. eac3to can convert DTS to AC3, set DD+ and DD TrueHD as AC3... eac3to should take it then.
     
  17. NexGen76

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    Okay just did my first HD-DVD to Blu-Ray Odin24 thanks alot & wasn't that hard...But how can i listen to the audio or see what language its in? I'm just guessing & that's going to cost me if i guess wrong.You said just grab the first audio but in Glen Harrison guide he said English isn't always going to be the first audio always.My next HD-DVD im working on has two audio files & there both the same size 1.11GB.I know one is English & the other is Mandarin but there isn't any way to tell which is which.Thxs
     
  18. odin24

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    Use Nero Showtime.
     
  19. NexGen76

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    I have tried showtime,windowsmedia player nothing.......
     
  20. Ryu77

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    When you use EVOdemux, after you've loaded in your first FEATURE_1.EVO press the "Read XPL" button. After you have done that you should be able to see what language the tracks are in on the Video/Audio tab. Now you can easily uncheck the tracks you do not wish to keep prior to demuxing. You can also do this with the subtitles.

    Also, by using this method you will get merged streams when you are demuxing (ie: FEATURE_1.EVO & FEATURE_2.EVO appended together).
     

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