The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.

Ok Str8Pryd thanks for your reply, i'm happy to see i'm not alone with this problem. It's not very important so we will wait for a new version of tsmuxer.

See you

 

For seamless branching titles tsMuxeR isn't the greatest, it does get the job done but doesn't fix audio gaps and/or overlaps, eac3to can do this properly.

Even if you are not familiar with eac3to, it can at least detect which playlist file (MPLS) files you need to append the whole movie together. Simply type in the exact directory of the eac3to file followed by a space, then the exact location of your ripped BD movie (or even straight off the disc with AnyDVD HD running), it should tell you all of m2ts files needed plus whatever MPLS they fall under.

c:\directory_of_eac3to\eac3to c:\directory_of_movie

If you are reading directly from a drive you do not need to specify the movie directory, juts the drive letter.

c:\directory_of_eac3to\eac3to f:

Notice here there are two versions of the movie, we'll use #1, which has two m2ts files to the main movie, 00001.m2ts and 00002.m2ts, which can be properly seamlessly branched together using 00001.mpls.



By adding the line number "1)" to the end of the original command line, this will give you the track information.



Then, again, using the same command line with which track number you want, and where you want it to go you can demux using eac3to. You can enter a command to demux all of the streams, or do it one by one. Shown below is a single track (the video stream). Also, notice all of the audio streams have small delays (-9ms), using tsMuxeR, when demuxing just the audio stream, these delays are not applied.



The only problem demuxing using eac3to is it cannot demux .pgs subtitles. I'll just use the proper mpls file in tsMuxeR and demux with it. EDIT: correction, yes it does, demux to .sup format.

Eac3to is a poweful little application that can do pretty much everything, aside from actually recoding video, if you are interested in really learning how to use it you can follow along in the Doom9 forum. The link below was actually started by the author of eac3to.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966

Hope this helps.

 

I bow to your superior knowledge, odin24! Excellent presentation! The question for me, then, is regarding the multiple m2ts files: When this is the case, does your example still apply?

What I mean is- does eac3to and/or Windows CMD.exe use the MPLS to display the split files as the one complete stream that it appears to be when played?

In other words, when you demux the video stream by command line, as shown in your sample screenshots, is eac3to ripping the stream as one file when, in reality, it could be multiple files on the disc/folder?

f: 1) 2: shows a stream of 2:23:16. Could that, in reality, be multiple small files, but be displayed and, therefore, ripped (demuxed) as a seamless stream?

How many more ways can I ask this question and still be vague about my intentions?

 

If you are only ripping with the purpose of playing straight from your hard drive, why don't you multiplex (mux) with MKVtoolnix and create a Matroska (MKV) file instead?

You will save about 6% with the final file size (Blu-ray headers).

Media Player Classic with FFDshow and Haali does a good job of playing back HD content.

 

Looks closely at the second line of the first image, is show which mpls file contains the whole main movie, which consists of only two m2ts files. If there was more than just two it would show them there... unfortunately I do not have a disc with more than two part to the main movie. If/when I do get one with more parts to the main movie I will post as an example.

 

If you don't mind me interjecting here...

Yes, Str8Pryd whenever you are using the playlist (mpls) file through tsMuxeR or EAC3to, then the stream will be treated as one complete file. This applies whether you decide to demux streams, re-encode audio etc. etc.

I recently re-encoded a Blu-ray that consisted of about 8 separate M2TS files for the main movie and I used the playlist file to demux and then re-encode. Everything went ahead as normal and end result was fine.

Multiple M2TS files will be automatically joined (seamlessly) via the data in the playlist file.

 

Ah, so I see! It appears, on closer inspection, that each segment, if you will, of data shows a different MPLS and that each playlist, in turn, shows the queue of M2TS files needed to complete that particular playlist.

I don't know about odin24, but I certainly encourage it!

That is most excellent to know! I suppose that, then, begs the question as to whether the command-line routine is necessary for the original purpose here.

It seems that using tsMuxeR to append multiple M2TS files could end up with some issues since, as odin24 mentioned, it will not apply the small delays that are shown in his screenshot. If, however, tsMuxeR could demux the feature, using the MPLS, into a single seamless stream, would it do so properly? (I haven't yet encountered a split feature. So far, it's been obvious, without the MPLS, to determine which M2TS file contained the feature. Therefore, I have no experience, so far, with the playlist features of tsMuxeR.)

I am not afraid to do a little command-line work to achieve the desired results, but I don't think I would like to try to explain the procedures in a "Blu-ray for Dummies" scenario, if you know what I mean. If a freeware GUI can achieve good results, that would be in keeping with the goals of the guide manual and I would consider integrating that information... in all my spare time.


In case I haven't mentioned it lately, thank you both (and many others) for all of your help. I'm still a noob around here. I hope this discussion is furthering the goals of this thread, rather than hijacking it.

 

No I don't mind, Ryu77 knows a helluva lot more about this stuff than I do.

I am also under the impression that delays are not applied if you demux to raw streams (AC3, DTS, etc), however if they are remuxed using the MPLS playlist to either m2ts, or Blu-ray using tsMuxeR I think you will be OK. This is what was discussed in the Doom9 forum.

Personally I have only worked with a few seamless branching titles, using tsMuxeR, and honestly I cannot remember if there were any problems.

 

Alright, thanks for the information guys - but it seems like there's about 3 different ways i can just watch directly from the hard drive.

MKVmerge tells me i have to set the parameters as far as the FPS goes, as it can't determine with .m2ts files (.m2ts isn't a recognized format by default) Second, i saw someone say that when you have multiple (i have about 30) .m2ts files, they may not be in "order" and you have to know which ones to put in after one another for seamless video/audio playback.

Then there was a post about eac3to, which i really have no idea how i would go about using it.

See...I'm coming from ancient history, using dvd decrypter + dvdshrink, and that was it...voila. It seems like all the aforementioned options are kind of "scattered"...

So, my question: What is the simplest method to take multiple (or 1) .m2ts files (created by anydvd) and get them into 1 playable format on my hard drive?

 

The Blu-ray Conversion Tool Kit has been updated:

A week ago, I updated the tools, courtesy of Ryu77, to include the most recent versions of MeGUI, the x264 encoder, the Ryu77 Blu-ray Profile, and tsMuxeR. Today I have updated only the guide manual to reflect the minor changes (mostly just new screenshots) introduced by the updates.

Cheers!

 

Anyone have any info on my above post? I have no idea how to use BDInfo, and it really doesn't explain how to read the playlist files to know how to use tsmuxer to combine all them into one..

when i attempt (which, my attempts are always shots in the dark)...i get "Bad AC3 stream, please resync" or something of that nature...what?? i'm so lost...any help would be greatly appreciated..again my goal is to simply get multiple .m2ts files in order, combined into one simple file for playback using media player classic, vlc, etc...to watch on my PC.

 

I'm sure this has been answered in the past but I am curious. A normal Blu-Ray movie is typically 25 - 30gb in size. When we extract and burn a movie onto a dvd9 8gb disc how much picture quality are we losing?

 

It seems that many BD movies come on a BD-25 disc. By the time you strip out just the main feature, you are usually well under 25GB.

Even when you aren't, you still have to take into account that you will likely be stripping out several languages and subtitles from the main feature, as well as downcoding the HD-level audio to a much, much smaller DVD-level audio.

After all of that, you should be well under 20GB, at which point you will only be reducing your video size to roughly half. As you may know from standard DVD "shrinking", the difference is not all that great and if you shrink your DVDs with an actual re-encoder, such as Cinema Craft, etc., the difference is imperceptible. The same is true of HD video- you won't really be able to tell the difference.

Consider this: What you see on broadcast HDTV is typically compressed far more than what you will be doing by converting HD to DVD-9. I think you'll be hard-pressed to tell the difference and will, in fact, be quite surprised with the quality. If not, you may have run into an exception to the norm.

 

You cannot really quantify this. It all depends on how you recode the video, if you use a good encoder and the proper settings your quality loss will be minimal. On the other hand, with the wrong settings your output could really be a mess. So no number could really be assigned to this, there are too many variables.

Are you talking about splitting a 25GB over several discs, or recoding to fit on one disc? If several discs, there will be zero quality loss.

 

Reencoding to one disc. I couldn't quite tell if or how much of a difference one of my encoded discs quality vs. a store bought blu-ray.

Does anyone know how to copy a avchd blu-ray compliant disc that I made using tsmuxer, megui, etc? This is the disc created with the BDMV and certificate folders.

I want to copy it and was not sure if I should use Nero Burning Rom DVD ISO or DVD Rom UDF.

Thank you.

 

When will there be a working method to add menu to AVCHD? Or is there one already.

 

I don't think AVCHD is capable of menus, however you can author to Blu-ray using Sonic Scenarist, this software is professional grade and fairly complicated to use to the novice. I'm sure other brands of commercial software offer menu support too.

Personally, if you incorporate menus that is just a waste of valuable disc space that could be used for video/audio.

I'm assuming you already have your new video stream (Blu-ray compliant), and audio muxed together to the Blu-ray structure. Now you can use whatever burning application you like, just make sure it burned using the UDF 2.5 format. IMGBurn (freeware) is OK, I use Cyberlink (came with my BD burner), I have had issues with Nero burning D/L DVDs.

 

Sorry, I might not have been clear. I have a dvd9 disc already created with the BDMV and certificate folder on the disc. I want to copy the disc. Thanks.

 

DVD Decrypter to create an ISO image of your disc and then burn using DVD Decrypter or ImgBurn.

 

Thank you.

What is the best method for converting a wmv file to bdmv folder to burn on dvd9?