The New AMD Building Thread

GTS250 and 9800GT are indeed identical, save clock speeds and unlocked processors, and while the 9800GT isn't quite as old as 3 years, the 9800GT is indeed identical, including clock speeds, to the 8800GT, which will be three years old in about november.

GTS250 and 9800GT are indeed identical, save clock speeds and unlocked processors, and while the 9800GT isn't quite as old as 3 years, the 9800GT is indeed identical, including clock speeds, to the 8800GT, which will be three years old in about november.

All of these cards are, save differing numbers of processors, memory and clock speeds, the same card.

8800GS
8800GT
8800GTS 512MB
9600GSO (G92 version)
9600GT (G92 version)
9800GT
9800GTX
9800GTX+
9800GX2 (though obviously this is two of them)
GTS150
GT230 v2
GTS240
GTS250
GT330
8800M GTS
8800M GTX
9800M GT
9800M GTX
GTX260 M
GTX280 M
GTX285 M
Quadro FX 2800M
QUadro FX 3600M
Quadro FX 3700M
Quadro FX 3800M
Quadro VX 200
Quadro FX 3700
Quadro FX 4700X2 (2 GPUs)


Gets around a bit, that architecture, doesn't it?

This is just the G92 as well, not its weaker spin-off, the G94, which is otherwise very similar.


As for rough performance comparisons, it looks something like this:

Radeon HD5770: 1100
Radeon HD4860: 1050
Geforce GTS250: 1000
Radeon HD4850: 1000
Radeon HD4770: 980
Radeon HD5750: 950
Geforce 9800GTX: 920
Geforce 8800GTX: 890
Geforce 8800GTS 512MB: 860
Geforce 9800GT: 760
Geforce 8800GT: 750
Radeon HD4830: 750
Geforce GT240: 660
Geforce 9600GT: 560
Radeon HD5670: 550-600
Radeon HD3870: 500-550
Geforce 9600GSO: 490-500
Geforce 8800GTS 320/640: 490-500
Geforce 8800GS: 490-500
Radeon HD5570: 440-490
Radeon HD4670: 420-470
Radeon HD3850: 400-450
Geforce GT220: 340
Radeon HD4650: 275
Geforce 9500GT: 240
Geforce 8600GTS: 240
Radeon HD3650: 210
Radeon HD5450: 150
Radeon HD2600XT: 120
Radeon HD2400XT: 80
Geforce 9400GT: 70
Geforce 8500GT: 65
Radeon HD2600 Pro: 65
Geforce 8400GS: 55
Geforce G210: 50
Radeon HD3450: 50


1GB GTS250s are marginally faster than their 512MB counterparts even if you ignore the memory size, but it's not much of a jump. If a 1GB card is cheap, buy that, otherwise there's no need to go hunting for the 1GB version, not with a resolution below 1920x1200 at least.

 

Sam,
After looking over the information you provided, I guess the GTS 250 with 512mb of memory would probably be my best choice for an nVidia card. I'll keep my eyes on this MSI then.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16814127495
I'm not ready to order just yet, as I have to get the 9500GT sent back to MSI first.

Thanks again, Sam.

Russ

 

I do that all the time with hdds, is that problem only with ODs?

I do that all the time too lol. Never had a problem, maybe I'm just lucky.

 

Technically speaking, SATA specs say it was made to be hot-swap able, but your BIOS settings can affect this ( AHCI, RAID=yes, native IDE=no), as well as mobo controller age/type and I believe I read somewhere (can't find it now to properly cite) that older drives that have both molex and sata power options won't work using molex but will with sata power.

 

I guess it's simply a good guideline to shut the the system down Plus his blown channel was IDE. IDE probably doesn't like that LOL!

 

LOL yeah IDE vs SATA does make a difference, IDE was not built for that. I often use the ports on the ESATA bracket (not the onboard on back panel) that comes with many newer Gigabyte boards and since the bracket plugs direct to the mobo and is swappable I figured there was an issue there somewhere

 

Red_Maw,
"I do that all the time"! Those are the 6 most dangerous words, in Computer Lore! They are usually followed by, "Watch, I'll show you", which is equally dangerous! 3 times now I've heard those 10 words. 3 times now I've seen a puff of brownish grey smoke and the wonderful smell of rotten eggs! Oh, there was no video! All three roached their video cards! That's where the smoke came from. First time was at Fry's in Anaheim, the second was at Netseller in Riverside, and the third was a good friend's son, who immediately blew his father's very high end 2003 AGP 8x video card! I think it's part of Murphy's law! The part where "anything that Can happen", "Will happen"!

I had this old HP Mini-Tower that had a 150w PSU. Hundreds of times I've plugged or unplugged fans while the computer was running, without any problems. This HP, was different. I plugged in the rear fan and got a beautiful flash of purple, highlighted by lightning, with dark clouds overhead, that you could see through the ventilation slots in the PSU! Stick around computers long enough, and you'll get to see just about any strange electronic thing you can think of, happen!

When I first started this build, some 15-16 months ago, I had a Gigabyte MA785G-UD3H motherboard. About the same time there were problems with the 710 SouthBridge, that nobody knew about. I was the first of many who would have the same problem. I can't tell you how many brand new Optical drives I sent back to Newegg! How I finally figured out that the problem was the SouthBridge was I could go up one step on the SB Voltage, and it would work for 2 or 3 days before it fouled up. Then you would have to raise the voltage to the next level (+.025v) to get it to work again. I RMA'd it to newegg, only to find out that it had been discontinued, and they would give me a full refund for it. I had to buy the 790X-UD4P. 3 days after I received it, the 785G-UD3H was back in stock at Newegg! It hadn't been discontinued! I wasn't happy about that, but I did have one of the best motherboards available. As it turned out, the 750 SB Chip, had some quality issues too that didn't rear their head until after the 30 day return policy had expired. GigaByte replaced it, and the replacement went bad too! 750 SB again! GigaByte didn't want to replace it again, believing the problem was my components. I went back to Newegg, and looked up the improvements in their reviews over the last couple of weeks, and saw a sharp increase in happy customers for the 790X. I called them and I would not take no for an answer. I said I want a RMA for my motherboard that came from GigaByte, and that GigaByte would give them credit for their board. I told him all I want is one of the new boards you just got in, as they don't have the 750 SB problem. He got a little ass'y with me at that point insisting I was trying to get a free motherboard out of Newegg, and he wanted to know why they should do that? I just told him that I wasn't interested it getting someone fired, but the Girl did tell me that my motherboard had been discontinued and no longer available, only to have it appear in your ads 3 days after I received the 790X. Had she not said that I would have gotten one of the 785G boards without the faulty 710, and wouldn't have had all the problems, or had to spend more money for a better motherboard, that turned out to have the same faulty SB problem as the 710. My luck that I would get two different SB chips that were both faulty, in two different motherboard series! Anyway, I told him that I wanted to speak to his Boss, and he informed me that he was the Supervisor. I told him I didn't care, that He had a Boss, and I wanted to speak with him! He fiddled around with the intercom trying to locate his boss, and then excused himself for a few minutes. Next thing I hear is his Boss breathing flames up his tailpipe! The Intercom hadn't been fully hung up, so I heard every word. His Boss basically told him that I've spent over $20,000 a year for the last 3 years with Newegg, Gigabyte has requested we do it, and they would take care of the RMA, so to just give me whatever the hell it is, I want! He comes back to his desk and starts to tell me that after consultation with his boss, they are making a one time exception! I stopped him right there, and told him I had heard every word over the open intercom! Blew his Ego all to Hell! I got my present motherboard! Everything is working perfect. I've got it giving me about 97% of the performance it gave me at 3.9GHz, at 3.8GHz, by trying different things with some of the lesser know adjustments in the bios setup. It runs so smooth now! DVDRB/CCE now runs a couple of minutes faster, as well. Both the NB Frequency and the HT Link frequency are set to 2400MHz. Runs great!

Russ

 

IDE vs SATA makes a big difference. S-ATA is hot swappable. IDE is not. This also applies to the power connectors. Try and hot swap a molex and you can cause all kinds of badness.

Sounds like, albeit to a lesser extent, I'm not the only one that has to play hard but fair with retailers :S

 

I know I asked the Supervisor if he though it was fair that I was the one eating all the expense, and the aggravation, considering that it was one of his people who put me in that position in the first place, by giving out information she wasn't supposed to give out, and then getting it all wrong! Had I waited just a few days more, I could have exchanged the broken motherboard for a known good one, and been done with the build. Here I am now, 15 months later, with everything finally working like it's supposed to, and I've already been through two successful CPU upgrades! The two DRW-24B1ST Asus DVD burners are closely matched, and perform almost identically! Many burns since they were new. Both are very quiet drives, and a little faster than the ihas-124s they replaced.

I'm mostly glad that I didn't just lose it, when so much went wrong. I guess I looked at it like a challenge, and a Learning experience being that it was my own personal first AMD, and I knew pretty much nothing about them or how to overclock them. I've learned a great deal about how they work, and how to make them work better, so it's all paid off, in the end. I'm 100% happy with the performance. For my needs, it's perfect! It's the Best computer I ever owned!

Russ

 

and the irony is, since I'm still running my Q9550 from my tests of the dud 4GB 5970s, your PC CPU is as fast as mine, until I swap the i5 back. The 9550's only at 3400 at the moment, it can go higher, but the X48 chipset's overclocking performance is dramatically diminished by running 4 GPUs off the PCIe controller, and running stable beyond about 3.65-3.7 is difficult, so I couldn't be bothered. 3.4 is a comfortable low-heat high-stability setting, so it will do just fine I'm also using identical RAM at an identical config

My eventual plan is to stick the Q9550 as is into my NZXT midi case for a lightweight LAN system. It's already got a good 430W PSU and a spare (blank) HDD I can use, a WD5000AAKS. I just need a graphics card to stick in it. I was contemplating moving the HD4830 from my server and sticking an HD4670 in the server instead, since the 4830's only in there for DXVA purposes, but I think I'll want a little more grunt, even if I do only end up using the 1680x1050 screen (unlikely, since I should be buying a geargrip for my 30" dell for Multiplay) so I was eyeing up what can be purchased in the midrange sector. Looking at possibly an HD5770, but it ought to keep with the ultra-low noise level of the current system, so I may have to pursue different cooler options.

On a more AMD-related note:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=961

 

Now you've heard it five times, except there's not puffs of smoke XD

 

Question to be answered up front about memory. i like this guys on explaining reasons behind memory usage and comparing one -vs- another ddr2 & ddr3 .i thought of Sam when it came to this video here below about Games and his video cards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1FikX8XWvs&NR=1

and Russ on this video here below about ddr2 -vs- ddr3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAgdG7uN6zo&feature=related


all yea the new CoolIT Vantage Advanced Liquid Cooler.I like the new pump lookLCD Mode.I need to find out when they released this model .I guess. I gotta go spend some more money now.lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDChTNzOeR8

box bein opened video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sArZMSRCawY&feature=channel

http://www.bjorn3d.com/viewnews.php?id=4067

 

I'm trying to help some one get their ram working properly on their new build but I'm not familiar with amd at all. Is all you need to do is adjust the multiplier and voltage or am I missing some extra step?

 

Which board, Which CPU, Which Ram?

 

The system is a 1090T, the aforementioned ram and some MSI mb. It seems they figured it out though, the ram just won't do the advertised timings now (it's ocz so I'm not entirely surprised). Thanks anyway oman.

 

surely I try and help when I can

 

omega to the rescure.some ram don't work straight out the pack at the exact timing you have to correct timing and set it yourself in the bios screen...or aka M.I.T

New NZXT Phantom ATX Full Tower Case interduced by my Friend Bill Owen @ http://mnpctech.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZxhvfSVLpM&feature=player_embedded

 

The problem was the ram wouldn't post with the ram set at the advertised timings and speed. It's being replaced with some G.skill XD

 

one of these should be fine nothing less than ddr3 1600 for a good oc
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...31-279^20-231-279-TS,20-231-303^20-231-303-TS

about pull my G.Skill's out my AMD Rig and put some Kingston HyperX's in instead much better NS speed...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104129


hyper's run in the between 45 to 47 alittle faster

 

One of those G.skill sets is the same one I suggested they get, but I think they're going to get some PC31440 stuff instead.