The (new) Official PC building thread!

If you don't believe me...buy it...but don't say I did not tell you so...when you can-not add video card to motherboard...

 

it has a pci express 8x . I'm sorry but what is a video card is that the graphics card don't understand all computer jargon but I'm leaning. thanks for all the response so far.

 

hoddey,

I can't find where you got the specs in your previous post but you were showing 2 x std. PCI slots. I suppose you could use a video card with std. PCI interface. I don't know for sure as all I've ever used is AGP or PCIe interfaced video cards. I know you're not in the states but for referance newegg does show some PCI interface video cards. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010380048+1069609642&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=48

 

lp531,

i found some more boards from tiger. what do you think about these...

1 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2219333&CatId=2320

2 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2768821&CatId=2320

3 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2749266&CatId=0

4 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2244194&CatId=0

5 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2605945&CatId=0

6 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2605946&CatId=2414

7 http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=K9N_NEO-F-DT&cpc=SCH (not sure about this site. i bought a case from them and was so dissapointed with it.)

8 http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=320

9 http://www.jncs.com/php/sys/index.php?id=bun-as-m2n-sli-deluxe ( this website sells everything together. motherboard, cpu, and memory and is all installed and tested.(so it says) take a look at this and see what you think about anymotherboards and amd dual core bundles put together. if this looks like a good way to go then ill go that route.) just match up things. i want it to be sli ready.

its kinda hard to find a board that has everything your looking for. like 3 or 4 pci slots and more than one ide header and all kinds of other stuff. but im still looking. i guess if i have to shop out of tiger and newegg i will. ok. im still looking. let me know what you think.

taz1974

 

first point, the 1600 was aimed as a midrange card for gaming, it was stomped all over by the 7600. you said yourself that you used yours mainly for watching vids, a 1300/7300 would of done that perfectly for you and cost even less. now if it was a competant card for its market it would not of needed an update, hence the reason there is no 7650.

now with the others you bring into this, these were at the time of their release highend products and as so they needed to be the best. this is why they release a newwer model every few months that says "mine is bigger than yours" to the competition. now if someone asked for the best mid to highend model with price in mind, you wouldn't point them to a 1900xt when the 1950xt is so much better and not much more in price. in fact with the price at the min i think the bang per buck you get from the 1950xt is almost unbelivable.

@taz

of the mobos you have posted the best 2 imo are the black and white foxconn and the abit an9 32x, i would also consider the msi k9 diamond .if you want the best its the asus crosshair. compare the specs for an idea of the things you want to get on yours.

dont get a nf570 if you want to oc it tho as these dont that well.


edit to add links

 

@marsey99
I have not recommended any board's to taz1974 yet...just going thru what he was looking at...the Foxconn only has 1 IDE...and only 2PCI...he was wanting more drives...the abit is a Micro ATX board...

I don't know if he is wanting to OC...so not factoring that in...thats why I am not as concerned with MB chipset just yet...

He did want upgradability...and to be as future proof as possible...The boards he was looking at were SLI...thats why I was recommending nvidia to him...

I know if your running AMD...you are better off with ATI...and or Crossfire...
If your running Intell...you are better of with nvidea...and or SLI

However he wants AMD and SLI...

Will look at the ASUS...thanks for input...any recommendation are welcome...not familiar with best AMD and SLI combination...

and the 1950XT is the best bang for your buck in ATI...right now

Thanks for the help...

@mort81 & hoddey
yes you can install a PCI video card...but not much point...no real gain over onboard video...the factoty box he is looking at is no great deal...and not upgradeable...he can do better...

 

all fair points i just thought i would offer my opinion on the ones he has looked at and add 2 of the best you can get.

you can get 2 dvd drives on to that ide, how many do you need?

same with the pci, how many do you need? i only use one of mine for my x-fi.

to be as future proof as pos you want to buy the best available at the time, as high end models give the best performance, and that will show, or show less over time, if you get my meaning. now add to that you can then overclock when you need that bit more power, it makes sense to buy right, not buy twice.

now with the chipset/cpu combos. although amd now own ati that doesnt mean that its the best combo right now. same as intel nvidia has only just (last 4 weeks) become the best combo, now this is only because the conroe rules the roost now, if the amd chips were the highend then they would of got the nf600's first. as it was ati that helped intel with the dev on the conroes and before xmas they were the mobos to have for them. this will probably change this year but only time will tell on this. for me right now the best are nforce boards for both chips, 590s for amd and 680s for intel. the ati chip sets imo are only for those who have to have xfire. me i dont think that the performance gains from sli/xfire are worth the costs in money, psu drainage or heat generated in my case, but hey thats just me.

@hoddy
can you post another link to that box as i havent seem many mobos with 4 dimm slots that doesnt have a graphics slot of some description. most lowend, onboard only soloutions only have 2 dimms.

 

I agree and let me clarify by saying I'm not bragging up the X1600 pro. The only reason I went with it on my old pc is because at the time newegg had it on sale and nothing else comparable to it's performance was anywhere close to the sale price on that one. It suited my needs fine and the price was right. Anything was better than the FX5200 I had before.

 

@Mort81 or Lp531,
Ok I've gone on a little long about a new video card and I'm gonna go get this one. If it's really not gonna do the job let me know. I've got a gift card from BestBuy so no need to use newegg.com. Tryin to save a little but get something good to boot. Thanks guys for all your input.

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7907839&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat107700050041&id=1149206843718

 

could you say what the job is.

if its playing fear or oblivion then no it wont, if its watching vid and playing bedazzled it will be magic.

1 thing to point out.

it needs a 300w psu and 20amps on the 12v line (it says this info on a sticker on your psu, normaly the side) if its less than 20amps it may cause crashes.

 

The job is video and simple games, I have a pS2 and GameCube for games so I don't normally tie up the puter with games. The kids stay OFF the puters. lol. They're only 6 & 4 so no need to let them near a computer yet, at least for gaming. lol. My PSU is an Aspire 520w. Hope this will suffice. Thanks for the quick reply.

Here is a link to my PSU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148008

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@greensman
If best Buy is how you want to go...I would look at this card...
7900GS
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...ategoryId=pcmcat107700050041&id=1155072371459
I do not think you will be happy with the 7300GT...

I would not look at anything below the 7600 series...just my 2 cents...
I still say this is your best buy...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143049

 

Which of these mobo should I go with ? I had a friend of mine test my 1.8ghz celeron and 2.4ghz celeron processors and he said both are in good working order. my price limit for the mobo is $35 right now and after a few days I'll get the memory.

If I can get a good mobo to post and work correctly then I can finally give up on my old P3 751 pc.

thanks for any help.
http://cgi.ebay.com/MSI-P4MAM-V-SCK...1QQihZ003QQcategoryZ80161QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECS-PM800-M7-v3...9QQihZ002QQcategoryZ80158QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


These are my best choices for right now.

 

hey guys,

well im not into the overclocking as of yet. i dont know how to yet. so ill leave that factored out for now. as for the drives i will only have a dvd burner, dvd rom, a floppy drive, and a hard drive. but the hard drive is going to be sata so im good that route. i do want the sli so that if i want to upgrade to it later on i can. as for now no i will not be doing that. maybe next year i will. this computer build will have to last me for quit awhile. so of coarse i want something that will be upgradable for the future. i guess im just so picky about want it want. but then again i really dont know what i want. this is after all my very first build.

so i know i want an amd (am2) dual core 4200 cpu, a good video card for games like cod2 (which lp531 has helped me pick out), good memory that is compatible with my motherboard and everything else that is sli(which i also have picked out thanks to lp531).

so im just undecided about the motherboard. i had one picked out but tiger no longer sells it. and newegg had a lot of bad reviews on it. so i figured ill just pick another one out. so the motherboard is what im looking at now. so many chocies to make about building these computers. who knows i might just go with it and be done with it.

ok so that is where i am at. just a motherboard. sli and am2 compatible. as for pci slots well not sure what i would need to put in the slots yet. 2 might be goos enough for now. as long as i have enough pci epress slots for the sli video cards to work, im good.

ok thats it for now.

taz1974

 

guys,

what do you think about this board. seems to have all i need.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2749266&CatId=2414

taz1974

 

@Lp531,
Just got your post. Either way I go I'll spend the same, actually a little less with newegg.com because of the $50 MIR. I want to make sure why I need this 'powerful' of a card. I'm assumming (don't like to do this...lol) that your thinking of the next build and possibly playing more (different) games. Just asking.

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btw I bought the card already but BB has a great return policy with unopened products.

 

@greensman
just thinking of what fits in your budget...this does at under a $100 after rebate...and what can at least play most games at an attceptable resolution...
What games do you play?..

 

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can anyone tell i am from Indianapolis lol!!!

 

Lp531,
Not many with a Radeon 9250. lol. No telling once I get something decent to play games with. Remember I do have a pS2 and GameCube for games.

aabbccdd,
To bad they're gonna lose in 2 weeks. lol. Not a fan of anyone left. I'm a JAFO at this point. lol.


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So thats where your from...I would have went 0 for 2 day...good thing I don't gamble...

At least the second game was good...the first started off Ok then became a blow out...It's been a bad year in sports all around for me...My 49er's & Kings both suck...At least Montana's 4 superbowl record is safe for now...

Glad for Manning...he deserves to be there...