The Official Budget-Conscious Dream Machine!

BUT, when you start playing newer games, you will feel the heat

 

XP's 64-bit is even worse, so moaning about Vista's isn't really valid!
Estuansis: At 1280x1024, an X1800XT's all you really need for now. 1920x1200 and it's a bit more tricky though...

 

Well, the only two games it has problems with are Oblivion and Crysis.

Oblivions problems are/were minor. Adjusted my iMinGrassDistance variable to 120 and that gave me ~10FPS with almost no difference in the grass quality. I've never had an unplayable moment yet due to low FPS so I'm happy with it.

And Crysis... well... I never really bought it yet. I'm waiting for some new video cards to come out. Even my 8800GTX choked(a little bit) with the demo. That was all high settings at 1650 x 1080. So I can deal with not having my 8800GTX for a while.

I have yet to find a game that I actually play that shows its limitations. When I finally do, I'm thinking GeForce 9 series. So my X1800XT is gonna stay for a while

At least ~6 months.

Well, you win some, you lose some. Most older games can do 1920 x 1200 with zero problems. And most newer games can do 1650 x 1080 or 1280 x 960 with some AA so I'm not in a hurry yet

1280 x 960 with AA is good enough for me.

Actually, 1024 x 768 with 4X AA is an acceptable setting for me too. So, honestly, the X1800XT could last me quite a while. But I like using my monitor, so I'll upgrade sooner than later if at all possible

 

@Estuansis
you know when you said that as long as you lower the ram multiplier you'll be able to OC the cpu quite high. Does that mean even with high timing like 5-5-5-18 ram wouldn't be a problem?

check this out guys, this is really interesting, making me want Vista even more than ever.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/15/vista_workshop/

64-bit vista can support more than 8GB of ram, but all the motherboards can only go up to 8GB, well server mobo are exceptions.

 

thast it, OcUK TAKE THE FU(KIGN PISS!!!!!

OVER £200 for the E9200, its just takes the piss. there phone skills are horrible(when they feel like strolling in and picking it up), and just now they mucked up over £600 worth of item for a client, by NOT sending next day, even though they said they would, and then having parts out of stock, although the webiste was in stock.

scan frm now on

>-[



had they not had superb forums, with good and intelligible people on them, and a decent lay out, i would block the site.

now ill only use them if they have an item which is not sold in the uk, bar by them.

 

no offense shaffaaf, would you please check your spelling before you click "Post Reply" it'll be easier for some of us, otherwise there isn't any problems. thanks m8! ^^

 

"m8".....LOOOL trying to be english

 

LOL! yeah, that "m8" is pretty cool word, or should i use "bru" or "Dude"

why don't people start making apps or games that works on 64-bit OS?

 

Nobody says bru...

 

Correct. As long as you adjust your multiplier and keep your RAM at or near stock speeds, you can take your processor as high as voltage, cooling, and your mobo, will allow.

Latency timings only come into play when you OC your RAM. Generally, higher clocks require looser timings(higher numbers) and lower clocks let you put lower timings(lower numbers).

Take note. My RAM is at 4-4-3-10. These are exceptionally low timings. If I wanted to take it up from stock to say DDR2 1066, I might have to loosen my timings to say 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15(or even higher) to make the OC stable.

Hope that made sense

 

um...i get this part

i don't really get this part

i thought lower the timing = better OC, the higher the timing less OC.
so having higher timing 5-5-5-12 = more OC?
I'm new to RAM OCing! woo hoo!

 

lol, It took me a while to understand as well

Well, lower timings(ie, 4-4-3-10) mean lower latency and faster operation. But when you turn up the speed of your RAM(ie, from 800MHz to 1066MHz) you have to raise your latency timings(ie, from 4-4-3-10 to 5-5-5-15).

Higher quality RAM, like mine, won't require you to raise your timings very much. Higher quality RAM = lower timings at both stock and OC.

If you don't raise your latency, you will have stability issues. Crashes, bluescreens, hanging on boot.

I know, it's very confusing

But that's the beauty of a RAM multiplier. You can OC your proc to the moon and leave your RAM at stock settings. This lets you OC with even super dirt-cheap, crappy RAM.

 

then why people buy such expensive RAM then? Is it because of the quality and the overclockability? I was thinking of buying 2x2GB of G.Skill DDR2 800 ram 5-5-5-12, lots of people say it can't get pass 950mhz, is that because of the tight timing?

i want to show you guys my idle temp, i have print screen it but i can't paste it, how do i upload it?

 

Yeah. The expensive RAM is made solely for its RAW speed, quality, and OC'ability.

5-5-5-12 is not tight timings by any standard. 4-4-4-12 is lower, and 4-4-4-3-10 is even lower.

The lower the numbers, the tighter the timing, the faster and better the RAM.

That G.Skill stuff can ONLY hit 950? For mid quality, high-latency RAM that is really decent. You should get it anyway and not OC your RAM or OC to only about 900MHz. There isn't much of an overall speed boost to be gained by OCing the RAM and lowering the timings. It is usually done for benchmark scores, where better RAM can really make a difference. That RAM you picked out is already good enough on its own.

 

I'm having a problem getting to 4Ghz. My ram only clocks to 950Mhz. I wish I had gotten better Ram and a heatsink lol!

 

@Estuansis
yeah i love that ram, my friend said that high timing is not good, lower is better. and you said that lower the timing ther better and faster?


yeah, i don't get it some people can OC E6750 pass 4GHz and some can't is it bc of the ram?

check out my Ultra Low CPU temp on idle. Stock fan, case closed, no fan blowing in, only one exhaust(using my semprom cpu fan)

 

Shaffaaf: Now what did I tell you? OcUk do it ALL the time. As for the forum, ever tried posting anything shop-related on there? You'll probably get a racist remark and then get banned.
GTR: Bru? what?

 

Yeah it's the RAM because when you turn your FSB way up yo need your RAM to keep up.

 

lol, in SA we say bru/bro

ram is also an issue, my friend said that if you turn down your ratio thing you might be able to OC more?

 

Only if it's your RAM that's holding you back, or does he mean the CPU multiplier, because that is sometimes true.