The Official Graphics Card and PC gaming Thread

Because?

 

it might be. one never knows.

 

Well, it's of course possible, but it's a bit early to be citing it as a certainty!

 

LOL! Sorry. Totally jerking your chain

 

I think we'll see a decent drop well before the HD6 series. The HD5s are still new and mostly at their original release price. I suspect Nvidia might release a new revision of Fermi eventually ala GeForce 9800GTX/GTX285. That's what will drop prices I think. I'd also like to think the 5870 will get a refresh as well ala 4890.

 

New is relative. We're now at the point in the HD5 series' history where the GTX295 appeared in the HD4 series' history. The architecture has been fully matured through the market for over a month. If prices were going to drop, they would have by now. The ball is in nvidia's court over that. On one hand, dropping the prices of the GTX4 cards would make them seem less pathetic. On the other hand, they can make so few of them, that they still won't have any trouble selling them, due to the sheer fanboy demand alone. An HD5890 was indeed mooted, but quite frankly at the moment, ATI could release it at £480/$600, not drop the prices of the other cards and still be worth it, in the face of the competition.

 

I agree 100% with the entirety of your predictions. I'd imagine there are revised cards coming out but the guys with the highest prices will determine where it goes. The ball is in ATi's court ATM and Nvidia's challenge will be taking it away.

 

I thought you used that expression the opposite way round, implying that whoever has the ball, it is up to them to proceed...

 

Asus have decided to Liquid nitrogen not just the CPU, but also the GPUs in their experiments with the ROG Ares cards.
Two ROG Ares cards clocked from their stock (850/4800 vs the normal 5970's 725/4000) to a monumental 1150/5200, coupled with an i7 980X at 5.9Ghz, they have set the new world record in 3DMark Vantage at E93549 and P51651. Curious that there's no X score in there, perhaps they ran out of Liquid nitrogen!
Two Corsair 950W TX PSUs were used for the test.
Interesting to see that a system costing £3200 for the GPUs, CPU, RAM and board alone, using Liquid Nitrogen as the cooling, is a little over double the score of my system which uses two year old GPUs and has a total new cost of £950. Interestingly, my original game system with the X2 4200+ and X1900XT worked out at £790, and only so because I used a £55 motherboard. Seems high because back then the X2 4200+ was £100 more than an i5 750 is today, the 2GB of PC3200 DDR was £50 more than I paid for my 4GB of PC12800 DDR3 and even the X1900XT was £327, slightly more than an HD5870 would set you back today!

 

Well, the very first GTX400 cards are popping up in the UK. Looks like a large number of the pre-orders have finally been filled, and a tiny number of the cards have appeared in stock, notably all GTX470s not 480s, and in miniscule numbers, with one Zotac 470 available at Dabs, and an unstated number of Palit 470s at scan, priced at £328 and £299 respectively. No 480s at retail yet, and given the now reasonable healthy stocks of 5800 series cards, supply of the Geforces is adding to the rest of the reasons not to buy one.

 

I paid more than 100$ more for the E6600 than I did for the i7 930 iirc XD Interesting how things change.

 

I reject your logic and substitute my own lol

On Hardware Prices, haha guilty as well, $550 for my 8800GTX

Back when I was a big NOOB and didn't know how to properly spec out a PC.

 

Nothing wrong with that, the 8800GTX was the best there was by miles back then, I was contemplating buying one for months, never really having the money to do it though, what with the 3007WFP upgrade, almost entirely new peripherals, and the massive amount I spent on cooling/silencing experiments back then.

 

Umm yeah but then I bought a 680i... then I was using it on a 17" LCD XD

 

speaking of the 6 series coming to 40nm only, why so sam? wont ATI be jumping to global foundries by then?

oh and look what gogole bought me?

http://www.slashgear.com/globalfoundries-28nm-arm-cortex-a9-promises-speed-frugality-boost-1581731/

today. 28nm on what should be the next "snapdragon" for smartphones.

as the article states 2nd half 2010 for production.


and
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16758

maybe nvidia will use it aswell?

infact this will be good. finally a proppe alternative to TSMC. if they muck up we haeva competitor to jump up. and who knows mayeb this will inspire a price war? though id assume most of the cost comes from R&D rather than materials?

 

GlobalFoundries isn't going to be done come Southern Islands apparently, it's slated for release before the end of the calendar year. TSMC got no-confidenced on 32nm, and 28nm is so far away that developers scrapped their 32nm plans and moved to 40nm instead. Hardly ideal for TDP, but even ATI's worst card for TDP, the HD2900XT, didn't use as much power as a GTX280, let alone a GTX480, so I'm not too worried just yet.

The problem with small processes is not raw transistor count, it's transistor count per die. When the CPUs, GPUs or whatever get really big, yields tend to plummet, this is another reason why yield is so poor for nvidia compared to ATI at the moment, those vast dies are really hard to produce.

 

yeah just read that TSMC are looking to scrap 22nm aswel and jump to 20nm.

surely the 3870x2 4870x2 and 5970 have worse TDPs?

 

None of them are single GPUs are they, that was my point. No ATI GPU thus far has been so bad it can't be turned into a dual card with nothing more than a minor refresh.

 

the 3870 was hardly a minor refresh. and tbh the same can be said for nvidia.

 

Nope, the 8800GTX, GTX280, GTX285, GTX470 and GTX480 all fit that bill.
The HD3870 was a big refresh hence why it took so long.