The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

Indeed. For me, I don't see the appeal. Once it's out, obviously you wouldn't build a PC with old tech, but for me I see it rather like AMD's transition from 939 to AM2. There was no reason to upgrade from one to the other as there was no performance gain, but new builds all used AM2.

 

yeah to be honest i don't see point of upgrading to the newer CPU, it's like when Penryn came out with Q9xxx, the Q6xxx dropped in price and the only difference is the chip size and like 5%-10% better performance. It will be the same scenario when Nehalem came out.

So Nope! I'll stick with LGA755 for now, since it's still quite new and it'll be cheaper

 

Per clock though, the 45nm chips are available at higher initial clock speeds and can be overclocked a bit further with the right gear - a late generation Q6600 won't make 3.5 without silly volts, but the Q9550 will make it and a little bit more, and the Q9650 can pull off 4Ghz quite happily if well cooled. Based on the 10% boost versus the older 65nm quads, a Q9650 overclocked to it's safe limit will perform similarly to a 4.5Ghz Q6600, so that's a fair boost - but it's a far more expensive CPU to start with. With luck, Nehalems will be able to get to similar clock speds with better per-clock performance.

 

yeah ok, the smaller chip has better head room for OC, BUT are you going to spend thousands more just for the overclockability? For me the answer is no, since penryn can do a great job there is no need to spend more for only extra 10% juice. IMO

Anyways, is Q9450 a good OC cpu? and is Q9550 worth the extra money over Q9450?

 

The Q9550 and Q9450 are now exactly the same price in the UK and US markets, so the Q9550 is a no brainer, it's a better chip than the 9450, even in its normal C1 stepping, if you manage to find an E0 9550, you're good to go for very clsoe to 4Ghz, if not over it.

 

wow, thats great. why would they make them the same price? Anyways, in SA the cheapest i could find for Q9450 is around R3200 and Q9550 is R3500, but this site doesn't include delivery fee, if included it should be at least R3600 in total for Q9550. But unfortunately C1 stepping.

and what does "VID Voltage Range: 0.85V – 1.3625V" mean?

Sometimes i rather buy AMD Phenom than Intel Penryn, because it's also quad core and it's cheaper...the performance is not great but hey it's a quad core!

 

Weren't you part of the TDP discussion? The Phenoms are more expensive in the long run...

 

yeah but that sometimes was before the conversation

 

im using the 64 bit version

 

oh crap i only realize now that my current mobo doesnt support FSB1333+ man, that mean i must get a mobo first.

 

mine doesnt support fsb 1600+ but im running 1692...lol

 

your motherboard does support FSB1600
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2842

 

sammorris,

I understand that, but the CPU that was chosen was the 64x2 5200+ compared to the E5200, and they are both 65 watts! Given that you are comparing the 6000+ and the E7200, the overall price rises compared to the 64x2 5200+ by at least $50. If no overclocking is required, as is the case here, the AMDs the better deal for a general use home/office computer! Besides, I can make more money building AMDs!ROFL!!

BTW, AMD has just recently brought out the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.1GHz Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor Model ADV60000DOBOX. Newegg has them for $92. All I've been building of late is AMDs. The popular choice for customers is the 64x2 5200+ followed by the 64x2 5600+. Most of the stuff I replace is old and slow to begin with, mostly single cores, so they are always dazzled by the difference in performance! LOL!! The BioStar MB I've been using is a high quality bullet proof design that's like a Timex! They just keep on ticking! I've had one failure in the last 2.5 years, and that was my own when BioStar accidentally got the TForce and GForce bios's mixed up! I had a new MB within 12 hours, and they paid both ways! Most of the stuff I build runs 24/7, so they seem to hold up pretty well!

Best Regards,
Russ

 

Does anybody know what is causing this problem? And or how to fix it
nLite
The application failed to initialize properly(0xc000007b).Click on OK to terminate the application
This isn't the only application that this happens

 

well it sure does.. i was thinking of my other board ga-p35-ds3r.. i didnt even realise the board now goes that high...hmmmm

 

@rick5446 sorry i couldn't help you, i don't know what that software is about

@cincyrob of course, that is a great mobo after all...

 

GTR35: its to create a bootable Win disc

 

For the average PC builder, nobody considers the power usage of the CPUs at all, so it's hardly an issue for them, and since the CPUs themselves are dirt cheap, as I say, they make sense for budget builds or upgrades. As far as the genuine cost of the systems go though, whether you see it or not, the AMDs seem to lose out.
The 5600+ you use is, as far as I can see 85W TDP, and it's idle load is 36W above the E7200, and working load 87W higher.
AMD's BE chips when paired with the 690G fare well, a BE-2350 normnally runs 2W above an E4300 at idle, and 9W above one at load. Use the 690G however, and those figures change to 9W below at idle and 17W below at load. Using integrated graphics pays dividends too, as by using the 690G's integrated graphics rather than a discrete card, the figures drop by 40W.
The lowest-consuming CPU is the X2 3800+ SFF, which runs 7W below the BE-2350, but with appropriately mediocre performance.

Run the G965's integrated graphics with the E4300, however, and the results are barely any higher. 59W idle for the BE-2350, 64W for the E4300, and 87 AMD, 91 Intel, for full load.
A win for AMD in this test, as not only does the Intel CPU use a few more watts, but it also takes longer to render the scene, 42 seconds versus the AMD's 38. However, doing some reading, the rocketship E8500 45nm chip uses much less power than older 65nm chips such as the E6750, which ultimately means, an E8500 would use less power than a BE-2350. Make of that what you will...

 

You hit the nail right on the head! Nobody considers power usage, or cares about it! They just look at what they get for how little it costs them! It's usually many times faster than what they had before, so they're always happy!

Russ

 

Russ,

I cannot believe you actually used the "quotes", instead of 'cut n paste".....hey, good for you and congrads.