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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

Discussion in 'Building a new PC' started by ddp, Jul 16, 2008.

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  1. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    HOW MUCH?
    That is a full DOUBLE the cost of my X38-DS4, which fanboyism aside, is a powerful and full-featured board. What is the extra £130 buying?
     
  2. spamual

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    LGA1366 and DDR3 triple chanel support?

    (its not worth it)
     
  3. greensman

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    To add some to shaaf's statement. :) TECHNOLOGY!! New tech that is. You all know that's the price of buying the newest and best at the time. Look at Morty and his Q9450... nuff said on that. lol. (sorry Morty)

    I think a mutual friend of a few of us has gone thru this many times. The good Doctor that is. Sophy you know who I'm talking about. He got out about the time I decided to get into this mess. ROFL. He's way smarter than the GM fo sho!! :D

    Anyway he used to go for the new stuff out and paid dearly for it. Just like RAM a year ago. You can get it for about 1/4 the price or maybe lower now. That's insane if you ask me. :p

    .....gm
     
  4. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    I have a few examples but they're less 'early adopter' examples and more the fact that stuff used to cost a lot more than it does now..

    1/ for a 486 DX2/66 pc i owned back in Victorian times, a 4MB set of sticks cost £120. Back then, and on my paltry wages it was like a week's wages.
    2/ the first most expensive hard drive i ever bought was an 8GB (shock horror) for £220 !!, that purchase killed me for quite a while.
    3/ i mentioned it further up the thread somewhere but i bought a 1x Creative Soundblaster kit (drive and sound card bundle) back when cd-rom's first came out, i forget how much it cost but it was a killer. Plus the box it came in was the size of a PC box.
    Oh and i bought a daughter card for that soundblaster, guess what, it was a killer price too.

    And don't get me started on the cost of my first cd burner, it was a Yamaha 1x probably, back when they first came out, i think it was something appalling like £300!!!, a couple days pay i think..
    come to think of it that Yammy must've been a SCSI.
    ..and to finish off, let's not forget the Plextor SCSI 32x cd-rom drives, the first Voodoo 3Dfx card (that needed a primary graphics card), the Matrox Millenium, Matrox Mystique and Matrox G200.

    Ok, i'm busted, a couple of those examples are classic early adopter purchases, but i learnt my lesson early on, a shame really as nowadays everything is dirt cheap in comparison. Pah!, progress eh :)

    You lot don't know how lucky you are in the 21st Century LOL.. i'll go crawl back into the technology abyss :)
    (i'm not drunk enough to mention the (removable) Winchester 128MB mainframe hard drives the size of washing machines)
     
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  5. spamual

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    im sure in 10 years we will be looking at TB Drives, and OSes that use 100GB RAM on idle, and reminiscing about the old times aswell :D
     
  6. theonejrs

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    You were very lucky back in the DX2 days. Here, after the Japanese burned down the only major plant that made the epoxy/resin to make the chips, memory went all the way to $100/MB! The Japanese had just lost a huge court case over dumping cheap memory in the US, to kill the competition, so they waited till the 4th of July, and then burned the place to the ground!

    I remember paying $199 for the first WD 340MB hard drive and it was the largest drive available at the time! Remember 20MB SCSI drive the size of a small loaf of bread! LOL!! That was $299!

    The SoundBlaster 1x CD-Rom kit you are talking about was $399 when it first came out and had a proprietary IDE Interface that was non standard on the huge SB card! They later dropped the price to $299 for the kit!

    My first CD burner was a Plextor 1x, and it was $400!

    Today you don't pay 1/10 the cost or less, for far superior components! If Automobile development had followed the same path as computers, we would have a Roll Royce today, that costs $100, get a million miles to the gallon, and blows up once a year killing everyone in it! LOL!!

    Best Regards,
    Russ
     
  7. rick5446

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    I've still got my Pentium 66 with the extra large HDD that I paid 200.00
    extra for,oh yea it was an 8Gig. If I'm not mistaken U could get the extra large 256 mem sticks & 2 was WOW a lot of mem,if my memory serves me right they were like a buck fifty ea...Just after I bought my fantastically fast Computer they came out with the P100, started about 1500. I think. Then 5 or 6 yrs later all hell broke loose, and here we are today..DAH,DAH
     
  8. sammorris

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    A P66 with 256MB memory sticks? How come my 'top of the range' P3 450 only came with one 128MB then? :(
     
  9. theonejrs

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    Sam,
    Different kind of memory. 72 or 80 pin EDO, and much slower than what was in a top P-III. A lot of the P-IIIs had Rambus Ram and PC133 with the 133MHz bus. Just a few years different in age too! We're talking about 92-93 or so! I think creaky might be mistaken on the size of the memory, as I had 4 32MB sticks and that was pretty much the best you could do in the days of the old 486. My neighbor has an old Pentium 200, and I scrounged him 4 32MB sticks for it so he could get on line as he needed 128MB to do it. LOL!! Back in the day, those 4 32 sticks cost a lot more than a the average weeks pay today! LOL!! I had a 486/33 and a 486/DX2/66 before moving on to an AMD Pentium 133! If I remember right, AMD called theirs a 586! Don't miss those days at all! LOL!! The money we laid out for components that today you would throw in the trash without even thinking about it, was astronomical compared to today!

    Best Regards,
    Russ
     
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    I don't remember exactly which sticks i bought in that instance, could've sworn it was 4MB, but what doesn't help is that i don't remember how much RAM was in there to start with. I probably had to remove whatever amount of RAM was in there and added the 4MB (maybe it was 16MB ie 4x 4MB, it was sooo long ago!!), needed it for the first Quake game if i remember correctly, my PC could only play Doom before that.
    What i know for sure is that the amount was £120 and i'd already bought that system (with monitor) new for... £1800 at the time!!. Crazy.

    The Quad Q6600 only cost me around £800 i think, throwaway money really compared to what i paid for the DX2
     
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    creaky,
    I was dumbfounded that I still had it for my neighbor, and doubly dumbfounded that it still worked after all these years. I only put them in his machine a couple of months ago! LOL!! They were 80 pin 32MB double sided EDO 80ns Ram and they cost a whopping $600 each! 16MB double sided EDO was about $400 each! They were even higher than that after the big fire stopped almost all worldwide production of memory for several month. There was no 32MB, and the 16MB ones were a cool $1600! Imagine that if you will, $1 per MB! God we spent money! LOL!!

    BTW, did you ever play a game called "Blake Stone, Aliens of Gold"? I always loved that one. I can play it on my computer, but the sound doesn't work properly. some of it just doesn't work, like one channel of a stereo maybe, so you don't hear all the sound! LOL!! Fun Game!

    Best Regards,
    Russ
     
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    No can't say i'd heard of that one, but i do have fond memories of playing Wolfenstein 3D, i just read that Blake Stone used the Wolf 3D engine, dunno how i missed that one :p
     
  13. sammorris

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    A few years? The P3 came out in 99. 92-93 is as long before the P3 as the P4 Willamettes are from what we have now...
     
  14. ddp

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    386's & 486's were in during the early 90's as the company i worked for in 90-92 used 386 & 486 on a card boards in their equipment for the pulp & paper industry. i was the 1 that found out that their systems for their customers were infected with a stoned virus. i still have 1 of those 386 on a card that i might use om my rc warships if i get them down.
     
  15. spamual

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    OH YEAH!!!!

    http://www.nordichardware.com/news,8195.html


    now if they can clock like that on air AND clock for clock equal or greater than penryn, AMD have just won back a big piece of market share.

    now just get the prices right, and i might have to find awater block for AMD :D
     
  16. sammorris

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    AMD stuff is as cheap as it gets currently, and given the initial i7 prices, they're not going to have to work very hard to work out better value for money... However, for a Phenom to match a Q9550 C1 on 775, which isn't an overpriced combination, it will need to clock to at least 3.6Ghz and be 15% faster clock for clock than the old phenom, 20% or above to beat it. That's a tall order. Not saying it can't be done, but you know, while that article is promising, it doesn't make me want to ditch my stuff for an AMD rig just yet...
     
  17. greensman

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    gawd I hate saying this... "what he said"!! lol

    I've been sorta keeping up with the AMD stuff as I don't have a choice if I read this thread and the new stuff is looking promising and may actually catch Intel in the next year or so. BUT as we all know the disparity won't be that much as both companies have the R&D to prevent such a scenario. Well I hope so at least. Competition is healthy in all markets I say.

    We just need some guinea pigs as stated before to test some of this NEW stuff out!! Shaaf and Russ I nominate you guys to take the plunge. :D hehehe.... How's that Sammy?? You ok with the choices for guinea pigdom?? :p

    ...gm
     
  18. spamual

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    neither me, ill wait for the results, but come january, i might be, for the first time, heading off to AMD :)

    haha GM

    id love to be the guinneepig, esp seeing as i have never owned AMD (ATI doesnt count) so id like to try it out, but price to performance, is intel is ontop, then sorry amd.
     
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    Heh, for the time being I'm either staying put. If I've done well financially by christmas I'll have a look at what the new CPUs offer, but realistically, if they're still around, I may just stick a Q9650 in.
     
  20. theonejrs

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    Quick question!
    Does anyone have a clue as to how to use Virtual PC 2007? I can't find any instructions other than installations instructions. I want to set up a virtual computer to run win 98, and I have no idea how to do this!

    TYIA,
    Russ
     
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