The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

just got done with the new install of avg8 still ame thing going on i cant get rid of this damn thing this time

 

Have you tried replacing the Sata cables? If you had a connection problem, some files may have gotten messed up. Consider giving system restore a try since it was working all right for a while!

Russ

 

cincyrob...Try Malware this seems to do the best 4 me. This was the prog. that would find and fix my virus...I swear by it now, I use it like a firewall and have had no problems since. I just can't update as IT WAS A Found program in torrents. But it does work

 

ive tried malwarebytes just now.it has found some of the virus files. removed them, but im still haven the same problem with IE and ad-aware. i cant get it to work??? what am i gonna have to do reformat?????

i did replace sata cables as well. so i dont think that is the problem?

oh yea firefox sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ive had to add so much stuff to this thing to get it to run anything. java,security, i cant even think of all the stuff i had to do a addon for.

EDIT:
dont ask me how or why. it will work for a min then it wont im lost here now

ok maybe im haven a addon problem with IE& if i log in without addons enabled im fune but if i try with addons it just freeze's up on me.

 

cincyrob,

A couple of things! Remove the Adware or Adaware, whatever they call it. You no longer need it with AVG 8.0. I had some issues with it after I installed AVG 8! Go up to the tools in firefox and click on Add-ons. If AVG Safe Search is enabled, disable it. Firefox usually disables it, but not always. It slows the crap out of the computer when doing anything on line and it's not needed as it's total overkill. AVG recommends it be turned off because of that according to their website. You have me totally puzzled with the Add-ons as all I ever have to add is the Weather bug. Java, you may or may not have to add depending on your software. I have Adobe Reader 8 installed, which requires Java, but it comes with it, so I don't have to add Java because I install it first, and then installed Adobe.

The OS was fragged when I had problems the other day and windows would run, but it wouldn't properly install things. Newegg had accidentally shipped me a returned MB that was obviously defective. After installing the new one I had problems with Office XP, Sandra and a couple of other programs. The XP-Pro install had BSOD'd with the first MB in the middle of the install, and I restarted and continued the install, and everything seemed to be working all right, but I kept getting error messages if I opened Word, Excel, Power-Point or any of the Office XP programs! Sandra wouldn't install at all, which I originally attributed to Sandra reporting an Unknown MB (didn't recognize the chipset). I finally wiped the drive and did a fresh install of XP-Pro, and the install went without any problems. It was weird, as Windows appeared to be working properly. I had no problems with the replacement MB which Newegg overnighted to me. Everything worked fine after that!

When I had the browser problem caused by the forced upgrade to FF 2.0.018 and the new Hotmail, I un-installed Firefox 2 and installed FF 3! Actually you can install it as an upgrade and it all works fine now. The only utility I use now, is Tuneup Utilities 2008. I no longer use 1 Click Fixer as it crashed Gina's computer, and BSOD'd on her, and was giving strange error messages on mine, so I removed it. I tried Opera 9.62 as a browser and IMO it sucks! In 2 days, I had 193 tracking cookies. That's more than I've seen, total in 4 years with FF! I usually run the Tuneup 1 click Maintenance at least once a day if I'm on line a lot as it does a great job of removing all the useless crap and temporary files. It sounds like something is messed up in your XP, maybe a driver issue with internal windows drivers, which was my problem. I've been running the hell out of the 4400+ for a couple of days now and it's rock solid and very fast. If you continue to have problems, I would start over with a wipe of the drive and a fresh install of XP-Pro. If you are using the install disk with SP-2, I would recommend you install XP, AVG next and then do your XP authentication. From there, if you use RI4M, install Nero, DVD Decryptor and then DVD Shrink. After that everything should work properly. Good Luck!

Russ

 

creaky,
That's one of the nice things about having choices. I just didn't like the way things worked in Opera. I had the latest version and all. My biggest reason for disliking it is downloading stuff, as I prefer Download Manager, and you can't use it in Opera. You can't minimize the screen with Opera,s Download setup as you can only see everything that's going on in a full window, and there's no Spell checking that I can find.

I just installed FF 3 and the new Hotmail (with a gun to my head!) and it all works great together, so I guess I'll stick with it unless I have some problems down the road! I didn't know that my buddy installed FF 3 on Oximoron a few months ago, as it blew things up the first time he tried it, but it seems to work all right now so I said "What the Hell"! If you read the recommendations on-line, they all seem to rate IE as the most secure! Now that's what I call a real Joke! Opera is supposed to be the fastest Browser, but I found it to be slower than FF 3 by a wide margin! I have a T1 line too! The matter of all the Cookies and spam was another consideration too! All the extra "free" bookmarks they put in turned me off! Just more junk that I don't want! LOL!! I hate gmail too! Nothing but 25 or more Spam emails every day! It's supposed to delete them permanently if you click on "Delete Forever", but that's BS! I don't get 25 Spam emails in 6 months with Hotmail!

Russ

 

Cincy That Trojan i took out the other day with Spybot S&D and than ran HJT this guys comp was loaded up. Chris Heres the Link for S&D http://www.filehippo.com/download_spybot_search_destroy/

 

Is this a decent CPU
AMD Phenom 8450 Toliman 2.1GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Triple-Core Processor $99.99 Free Shipping

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103254

I'm wanting to build a Comp 4 my Grand Daughter, 4 Xmas. I don't want to spend a fortune. But at the same time I want something reliable. Also so she can do some Video Conversions at a decent speed, along with other tasks

 

I'll be honest, for the price that's not a bad CPU for video encoding. A Core 2 Duo will still best it even at video encoding though, especially if you overclock it a bit. On any old cheapo motherboard with basic RAM you can get one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072
To 3Ghz and beyond on the stock cooler, and at that clock speed it will best the Phenom, despite having one less core.

 

sammorris..What motherboard would U suggest with that CPU

 

This one if they ever get it back in stock.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128347

or this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128345

 

Wow, dudes, I went away for a week tinkering with my old 2005 technology, greeny celebrated his birthday, and all of you guys moved forward about 10 pages!! Speed Read time! Lol

NEW BUILD: Man, sam, that is a slick rig you just built for bazza! Hey Russ, you have the two ide drives for your system, and you have the 6 sata drives for hot swap, etc. Do you have them in a Raid configuration? For my new build I was thinking of just using two satas in the basic Raid so if one drive dies I am still fine on the other. Do I take it that sata controllers are problematic - or is it just for dvd burning that there are problems? Should I make sure I have at least one ide drive for burning? What about program files? Does Raid not work that well? Should I just go with ide and back the thing up once in a while? As you pointed out, or maybe it was creaky, and as I see on my newegg wish lists, they are starting to discontinue the ide drives. (I have a couple of external usb hdd boxes that require ide which is why I am going to be buying two big ones.)

I like that advice about avoiding the GP - fine tuning - "more stuff to go wrong" - my gut tells me you're right. Run those dudes at constant speed and then just have them power save screensaver shut off after 10 minutes if you leave the computer for a couple hours like I do a lot. Right? Or is my "turn them off after 10 minutes" also a bad idea?

Ok, that was loads of fun, but other than hard drives....... On the graphics thread, where I earned my wings, sam helped me to understand (damn him! spoilsport! lol) that the new 5870x6 (coming late next year - maybe) won't do a thing for Crysis unless Crytek unlocks the 2-gpu ATI limit, so I'm not holding back anymore - new build with all the bells and whistles - somewhere up to $2000, plus Dell 30" for around $1000. Then I can slightly dial back on all this extremely fascinating techie stuff (in my next life I'll pursue my engineering) and get back to trying to sell some houses - BORING!!!! LOL (You guys didn't know I was hindi - oh sorry creaky, no religion.) Allah Akhbar!

LOL .... Back on topic, I'm picking up Sam's Dominator 4gig sticks with the "fly" little dual fan cooler, and I think I'll go reasonably good crossfire mobo - around $200, maybe Gigabyte like Rob or maybe Asus Deluxe.

But .... all you savvy dudes: for a crossfire mobo, does everybody like those two motherboards, or are there some other favorites for most versatile overclocking, $175-250? Or is one of you guys, creaky, russ, shaff, rick, sam, boozer, rob (cincy how's the job search going - wait, you already got a raise!!??) , gm, et al, going to try to sell me on spending another $100, and what would that be? (Go ahead, Sell Me! lol) Shaff, what is that maximus you just short circuited and burned up - and, hey, back it up dude, and put down that screwdriver, I'm not kidding!

Also, I think I read about 20 boring pages back, just kidding, Shaff, that you said Nehalem is not going to do that much for gaming, at this time, because the GPUs are the bottleneck. Having said that - it seems pretty clear to me that at least some of you guys are getting really gung ho for quad core - am I right? You and sam both have the Q9550 for $320, and Abuzar recently recommended to me that I save $100 on a 4870 Gpu solution in favor of a 4850 and use the savings to get the Q6600 for $180, and he was looking at my small, prior, under $700 budget, but then looking at sam's build for bazza, I see Sam recommended an 8400 core 2 duo for around that price - and that's the same budget I had before. So who is right, sam or boozer? Let's have it out! Lol But put down the bottle first, boozer, I mean creaky, no .. er.. yeah I meant boozer.

Hey, reading forward, boozer is already winning the fight with his Q6600 recommendation:

So look, boozer is becoming a quad fanboy, and sam is too, and also shaff. I am ONLY interested in how the new build runs Games - like our buddy bazza - but my budget is now up to maybe 2 grand, U.S. And I want to future proof myself for at least a year or so until GPUs catch up to nehalem.

I HAD been thinking of going core 2 duo, remembering last year's pursuasive anandtech article that said that for gaming get fast core 2 duo instead of slow quad - BUT .... that was last year's advice .... at the new faster speeds of the quads, and with the idea that it seems like the gaming development community is catching on to quads - correct me if I'm wrong - should I invest in a good quad that I can overclock, particularly if the 5870x2 next year turns out to free up the GPU Crysis bottleneck?

If so, what quad does anybody like, for, let's say, around maybe $175-$300. (Or should I bump that up another $100, $200?? Sell me, sell me! ) The Q9550 favorite of shaff and sam is $320 - that one? Thanks much mates.
-Rich

 

lol Me beginning to be a Quad core fanboy?

I was pretty much the first one on here saying, BUY QUAD CORES! It's the way of the future. Everyone said I was crazy and told me that a faster Dual Core kicked ass. But I stuck to my plans and got myself a Q6600 as soon as I could afford one. Now they see.

 

yeah, but were you right?

 

I think I was. I paid way more for my Q6600 than it is available for now. But it does provide way better performance, more than double if you have an optimized program.

 

Ok, but look, "if you have an optimized program" - what does that mean? Will it help me kick ass with Crysis, just answer me that!! Lol

 

A program that properly supports a Quad Core CPU. Clock for Clock a Q6600 is faster than a 65nm C2D. When you use a program that makes full use of all four cores than it gives you more than double the performance of a 65nm C2D at the same clock speed.

Crysis does get a boost from Quad Cores, but it's not nearly as dramatic. Although a Quad core is pretty much required if you have a high-end system running crysis because a dual core will bottleneck it.

 

single card, dual core, more than dingle a quad is needed. SIMPLE.

 

harvrdguy,
Yeah, I think those college days were fun. Too many Hangovers and not enough sleep though. When I was younger I would put the clock on an aluminum ashtray, place that in a porcelain Dishpan, and put that inside a Porcelain Baby bathtub. It was like trying to wake the dead to get me up! LOL!! Made a hell of a racket when the alarm went off though! ROFL!!

Seriously though If a guy wants to build an AMD and asks for an opinion on an AMD processor, then answer his question! Don't tell him to buy an Intel! It's one thing if the guy is a newbie or says he doesn't know anything, but to suggest to other regulars who have shown interest in AMD in the past is downright disrespectful! I know that it's not an intentional thing on anybody's part, but more over exuberance. We need to be a little more encouraging as if AMD goes, so do those cheap CPU prices! That's another part to it as well. A guy tells us he's only got $100 to spend so of course someone has to post something for $130 because it's better! DUH!!! It costs $130 because it is better. Problem is, the guy still only has $100! We didn't help him one bit except maybe in frustration level because all he has is $100! Give the advice if you know the answer or don't comment on the post at all! Please! Try to stay within whatever the budget the person has. Lots of folks these days don't have the means to get that other $30. I know here in So Cal, the Recession has hit us like a brick! My buddy's paycheck for the first half of this month was $135! My job has slowed down to almost nothing and it's my computer work that's feeding us at the moment! Right now $30 is a lot of carefully selected groceries! Please try to keep that in mind.
Thanks!

That being said, since the advent of the AMD 780G chipset with the HD 3200 graphics, AMD just increased their CPUs performance a minimum of 15% across the board with any compatible AM2 CPU! Just add a low cost 780G motherboard to your present CPU, and presto, you've just gained 15% better performance! And with the HD 3200 on-board Graphics, you've stepped into a whole new world of high Quality video! The difference between it's graphics and the graphics from my 7600GT, both with HD video is breathtaking! Color Rendering, depth, detail and Texture are superb! I can see things I wasn't aware was even there before! 109 Million Transistors, Clock speed of 425MHz and 40 stream processors on a 55nm Graphics Chip (the worlds first), that have their own adjustments so you can OC the motherboard and adjust the video to the CPU speed! and finally, Hyper Transport 3 actually does something. Voltage adjustments for the CPU, memory, NB and Hyper Transport. The NB is also configurable in the setup as well! the MB is also capable of Hybrid CrossFire which means if you stick an HD 4850 in it, set it to hybrid CrossFire in the setup and the on-board is still utilized, so nothings wasted and it's all managed by the chipset! Wonderful stuff!

I've come across a couple Great motherboards in my time. Some became Legends, but I've never seen one that gave such a performance boost to the same CPU! Look at it this way too, the purchase of Ati is paying off! This is their work. Still, it's the best shot in the arm that AMD has had in quite a while. And do you think for one minute that all this technology doesn't have Core i7 in mind either? As fast as I can scrape up the $65 for another Biostar A780G M2+SE, old Oximoron is getting another shot of Steroids! LOL!!

Best Regards,
Russ