The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

The way I see it, the sort of person that is willing to suffer the downsides of dual graphics technology is the sort of person that will understand that Core 2s can be overclocked a lot, very easily. That $130 vs $100 CPU with a cheap Gigabyte board, with no Integrated graphics holding it back, will end up a real powerhouse on a budget. I would wager you could easily get that CPU to 3.2Ghz even on the piddly stock cooler, at which point it will obliterate any AMD, especially for gaming. Leaving hybrid graphics behind and grabbing a cheap card like the HD4670, for under $350 you can have the whole lot, CPU, RAM, Motherboard and GPU, and all in very high-spec form. Add 50 dollars or so for an Earthwatts power supply, and you're done!

 

I quite agree, if you are a gamer then choose Intel, but if you are an occasional gamer buy want better than average video, the 780G is a route you can be happy with for a very low price! I wouldn't call the OBG a crap GPU by any means. The HD 3200 OBG is that good! You know, these people that test this stuff aren't normally excited about OBG, and for some reason Anandtech is! I would imagine it would do quite nicely with a decent HD 4850 in it in Hybrid CrossFire! For $65, I'm going to find out! LOL!!

Russ

 

The 780G is not for the occasional gamer. It's for the non-gamer, full stop, or the absolute casual gamer that only plays software-rendered games. Even older FPS games like Counter-Strike Source or Quake 4 have to be bottomed to run properly on even the best IGPs.

Half Life 2 Episode Two
780G: 30fps at 800x600, all Medium
HD4670 ($80): 50fps at 1920x1200, absolute maximum, 4xAA, 16xAF
HD4870 1GB ($300): 70fps at 2560x1600, absolute maximum, 8xAA, 16xAF
Spot the difference.

 

True, but I can do a 2.8GHz 5400+ w/MB for 150 Bucks, and I'm not a gamer! The CPU is $40 cheaper so I can do it for $290 less! nice price for a Media PC you can play games on and OCing is a viable option! Especially when one has no need to spend $350 for a graphics card!

Russ

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128356
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102724
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371005
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098

$288 after rebates, including PSU, and on top of that a 320GB hard disk. Better games performance than the HD3200 (granted not by much), equal stellar HD playback, solid CPU performance, 4GB of decent RAM. For sub 300 dollars, all you're lacking is a case, oh and a DVD burner, which cost what, 20 bucks?

 

i smell a challenge gimie one sec

 

I can shave $43 off for changing the CPU for this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116064
and the RAM for this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
So we're now looking at around $265 after rebates even if we do include a DVD burner. There's no arguing either that this system would still get the job done easily.

here we go:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147068
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152

 

what is your newegg list for your build, so i have a price to work off, and components to match/beat, IF i can

 

Full list
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116064
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128356
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147068
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102724
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371005
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098

$296 including shipping after-rebates. $336 initial outlay. Dual core multimedia PC with 2GB of RAM and 320GB Hard disk.

 

I already have everything but the MB and the CPU so it's $150 for me! harvrdguy had it right, there is a market there and this forum thread should be encouraging it. Life without AMD, could get very expensive! This isn't the The Official Intel PC building thread. You and Shaff are heavy duty gamers, but not everybody is so why diss a good product because it isn't fast enough for you! What AMD is offering would be very good for a lot of people. If they have an AM2 MB in thier computer, for $65 they can gain 15% more performance or more just by changing the MB!

Russ

 

For you personally, and of course it makes sense for you to build an AMD system on that basis. For everyone else though, that $300 build is a bit of an anti-AMD bombshell. That said, it's not like you can't get a decent PC out of an AMD. I suppose I have a hard time isolating myself from all the things that make AMD useless for high end gaming rigs of late, when considering the low end, things like incompatibilities with AMD's own graphics cards (not making it up), and the very mediocre gaming performance of even the best AMD CPUs.

 

well because intel atm are better than amd. or else i wouldnt recommend. im not looking at it in a gamers perspective, buy because people were bringing gaming into it, then its an aspect that needs to be delt with.

ok so for $150 a better CPU + mobo route would be:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116052
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134R
$7 more after rebate,

will hit 3GHz with PC5300 RAM (aka 667 MHz) and one is sorted, plus PCIE 2.0 support (which IICR the 780G doesnt have, but i am known to being wrong )

 

Let's face it, AMD aren't once the little shed that could, they're a huge corporation now, and buying 'to save them' makes no sense. You buy what's best, and that's that.

 

HEARS some healthy prices
http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/wem1758.asp?SRCCODE=WEM1758TT&cm_mmc=Email-_-Main-_-WEM1758-_-post

 

Cheaper at newegg...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202&Tpk=i7 920
The 940 is a full $50 cheaper
FWIW, the P6T Deluxe motherboard is also 20 bucks less as well.

 

I was just pointing out the HORRIFIC Prices
Not interested in anything that expensive. Those are Millionaires Prices

 

Ah right, sorry, missed the sarcasm ;-)
But yeah, i7 is wayyyy overpriced. A stock Q9550 performs as well as the 940 does in most games, and will overclock better than an i7 to boot.

 

Yes they are! They are a huge corporation teetering on the verge of bankruptcy! Stock that sold for $40 a share in Jan. 06 now fluctuates in the lower $2 range. This past Thursday it hit a high of $2.70 a share. Today it's at $2.40. Huge Corporation, Yes! But one that can go either way, survive or disappear!
BTW, You have that wrong! You don't buy what's best, you buy the best you can afford for the money you have to spend at the time. Sometimes as it happens, that answer for some of us is not always Intel. I have minimal experience with 64x2s on a 780G motherboard, but it's more experience than you have with that combination. My use of the 4400+ machine for three solid days impressed me enough to consider building one, and I do own a fast C2D. The 4400+ well exceeded my expectations! It's quick and runs cool enough without needing enough fans to hover, or a CPU cooler the size of Rhode Island. I plan to put that $65 MB in the 4800+. Just for the extra speed and the video I'll get with it. If I'm happy with it, then I'll eventually build another more powerful AMD, just to be different. I already have a case and PSU, so all I need is the MB, memory, CPU and CPU Cooler. That will run me less than $250 for a 3.0GHz 89w 64x2 2x1MB L2 cache 6000+. a Biostar A780G M2+SE MB, 4GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 1066 cas 5 memory and a Freezer 64!


$238.97, with tax and shipping right at $266. The $30 MIR from Corsair for the memory drops the final cost to $236! Once i7 comes out for 775, the price will go down even more. I'd like to see how well the 6000+ does with a 15% performance boost! 15% at stock speed and more if OC'd! If I just do an upgrade on Oxi, It will only cost me $176.62 delivered with the 6000+. I have everything else, even a Freezer 64! I like the sound of that! Should be more than fast enough for Russell! The new 3.1GHz 6000+ with the 2MB L2 cache is even less,. not to bad at all! so I can even lower that to $173.39 w/T&S! for a 3.1gHz Stock machine. Should be fun!

Russ

 

I must be doing the New-egg math then because my shopping cart shows $167.97 with $24.98 in T&S for a total of $192.95 and I still would need a video card! At $173.39 delivered and not needing a video card, my deal is still better! Oh and it does have PCI-e 2.0, also supports DX-10. Biostar just calls it PCI-e Generation 2

Russ

 

theonejrs..OK I read what U said about the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz
But which of these would be the better CPU
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103233
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103298
What the meaning of Thermal Power, also whats the significant difference with 45W & 89W

Sorry People I know I already asked this Question, but is this OK for a PSU.. OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341012