The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

my firends wernt tech minded till i got to them lol. now they know whats up.

 

Hopefully they also took on the experience you got from your mistakes, such as watercooling, and buying a £1200 PC to play one game... XD

 

haha, they know stuff, but they are laptop men lol. one a mac guy, though i ahve to say after using mac osx, its really really good, i wanna dual boot it.

 

Sam,
That's a case of not wanting to be bothered with the time it takes to research things first! That and a lot of Mommy and Daddy footing the bill too, at least around here. The kids around here are all "Experts" too! They know everything about nothing! ROFLMSOAO!! I've see a number of people putting a $200-$300 video card in what I would jokingly call a $12 computer (or at least one with a 250w PSU) and wonder why it doesn't work! LOL!! I'm not saying that you can't make a good computer out of an eMachine, because some of them do have decent motherboards in them. All you have to do is throw away the PSU, CPU and junk memory that comes with them. I was lucky with Oxi, because it had a decent Foxconn motherboard that would support a CPU better than the Sempron it came with. All it took was a 64x2 4800+, Freezer 64, decent 500w PSU, 2GB of decent ram and a 50mm fan to cool the NB chip. That's all it took to make a decent machine out of it! LOL!!

Russ

 

i bought an X1800GTO when i first got in this, and got told to increace my PSU, so i did, and hitting 3d would leave a blank screen and reboot. the 500w PSU was £20.

so knowing you need a PSU is not always enough, but lol though, i needed a PSU for my bro when his tagan 330W went out after a bang (nothign got taken out though, but it was second hand, so brilliant on tagan PSU, not so for an RMA) and we used that PSU to run an OCed E2140 (3.2GHz) and a 9800GT. shows how much power a P4 at 3.06GHz and a x1800GTO used then!

then i gave my bro sams 850W be quiet PSU, talk about overkill!

 

Heh, the 850W BeQuiet that shut down at 690W load.... :S
My mate Nick's file server has a 330W Tagan in it, probably the same PSU. Relatively quiet, and still running at 2 1/2 years of age.

 

a power sruge killed it lol.

tbh i dont mind it not hiting 690, caus its quiet as hell where it is lol
my 650 was a quiet one playing crysis, (i stopped the fans and held the gpu fan for about 3s, couldnt hear it

 

ok guys give me your thought on these sticks of mem.. i will be ordering in the morning.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...231209&page=4&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True

tbh im leaning towards the kingston hyper and the G-Skill PI black.

 

I gather your leaning toward the lower latency From the looks of things ive seen across the web, Gskill is coming up in the world. Ive always trusted Kingston, but a faulty flash drive has made me reevaluate the situation. I would still buy their ram, but honestly, Im thinking the Gskill is For The Win! Besides, its cheap, free shipping, etc LOL!

 

Oman7,
Personally I would lean toward the 1066 memory myself. The difference in speed, even with the higher latency is often better than you can get with 800 memory. To me, if the MB supports 1066 memory, it becomes a no brainer. I would rather have a guarantee that it would run at 1066 than to try and overclock 800 memory to 1066, because if it doesn't, you have no recourse at all! The 1066 memory is already overclocked 266MHz, and if it won't run at that speed, RMA it! I was happy with both the 800 and 1066 G.Skills.

Some people have said that they don't see any real difference going from the 800 to the 1066, but I lived with the 800MHz for over a year, and the difference is noticeable, at least to me. Fatter memory bandwidth too! I have a pair of the G.Skills in Oxi, even though the MB only supports 800MHz memory. I plan to put a 780G motherboard in it eventually anyway, and the memory for it, is ready when I am! The MB won't see it as 1066 memory with the 4800+, but it will allow me to clock it higher than 800MHz without any worries!

My personal preference is still the 1066 Dominator EPP memory. Enabling EPP gives you a better a better memory bandwith, and controls the voltage. You don't have to touch a thing with the memory, and it adjusts itself on the fly!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145214

Russ

 

I suppose that is logical. And im one of those people Russ LOL! I dont notice a difference between 800 and 1066. But who knows. Perhaps something isn't configured properly. Yes, im running 4 sticks now underclocked(auto), but ive ran just two of them at 1066. I really didn't feel any difference. Though im sure the Cpu does I hope this doesn't sound like an argument. Last thing I want.

 

as far as the differenece in 800 and 1066, yes in my case i cant tell the difference. these ddr2 800 Mushkins have been running 1066 for the last 5 months without a hickup. the reason behind me wanting new mem is just for the fact of getting 4gb's im thinking seriously about switching over to a 64bit OS to use all 4 gigs. the kingston and gskill have been highly recomended from alot of people i trust when it comes to computer building. docTY swears by the kingston hyper series...lol i also have had alot of people say great things about the dominators. i have had a set of them that i wound up takeing back to microcenter. i just wasnt impressed with all the trouble i had to get them to run @1066. but that was on the GA-P35DS3R BOARD that i no longer have..lol

 

As far as I see it, 1066mhz CAS5 and 800mhz CAS4 is the same speed memory itself, and 1066mhz CAS5 is more guaranteed than overclocking the 800C4 to 1066C5, and makes overclocking easier with high FSBs for that reason. Not to mention, higher speed usually equals better bandwidth which makes some programs (in particular, programs that run well on AMDs and i7s) run noticeably better.
creaky: As far as I'm concerned, compared to some of the people I see around here (and know, I don't mean any of the regulars... haha) I'm comparatively an expert, but well, in the grand scheme of things I know bugger all, especally compared to people like yourself.

 

I also use it, but due to FSB/board limitations I only have it running at 900mhz.

 

Well as far as I'm concerned buy whatever works for you. Russ and I ran Sandra and compared. He has 1066, I have 800. He had slightly more memory bandwidth, maybe 10%. But overall the two systems perform identically, even with me using a 780G board. I think you wouldn't even notice the difference between speeds so buy what suits your needs. I just so happen to like 800, so I use it.

 

For AMD users perhaps that's the case. For Intel users, PC6400 has no guarantees of overclocking beyond 3.4Ghz for my chip, 3.6Ghz for the E8400.

 

Rob,
I had the exact same problem with the second UD4H. Since I replaced the CPU it runs super! Like I said, I won't be making that mistake again!
Check your PMs. It's important!

Russ