The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

Estaunsis,
I'm going to find out what it can do and then I'm going to back it down to about 3.5-3.6 GHz. I'm not interested in running it at it's limits because if something happens to me, Russell would have no idea what to do with it if it started crashing. I'm not in the best of health, and it goes to him anyway, if something happens to me. It's already more than twice as fast as the 7750 now, and a couple of thousand MIPS isn't going to make that much difference anyway. It's plenty fast right now.

You are dead right about Auslogics DeFrag. It's the best I've ever used!

Thanks again,
Russ

 

@Cincyrob

Now we talking you'll be my Biostar Brother...Lol...I can't wait to see you put this 1 together.I'll be there in person....

Hey Russ best of luck with your new chip my friend...I know we was on the phone the other day and you mention it bein later getting to the house,temps look good at stock speed.I hav'en even ran Sandra yet
sense .I put the I45 & Q9550 back together you just reminded me to that(Tired). I'm gonna see what.I get at 3.8ghz and post it and also the on the memory bandwidth.I'll talk at cha Russ!!!

aight back with Results

Mips



Memory bandwidth



all yea I was riding with Dale.Jr yesterday at Tallidega boy it was Fun! Lol

 

Bigwill68,
Here you go Will!

Processor Arithmetic



I ran CPUz on it to show the true clock speed (3.611GHz), so don't have a heart attack. It's running at the CPUz speed. About what I expected, as most tests I've seen show the Athlon II x4 630 a little better at CPU Math than the Phenom II x4 940 at the same speed.

CPUz



It will go to a little over 3.760 GHz, but it's a little flaky, so I cut it down to 3.6GHz. Sandra reads the bios settings for the CPU host speed, while CPUz reads the actual speed. I upped the CPU speed 200 MHz with AMD Overdrive, and as you can see that it's running just over 3.6 GHz. For whatever reason, it is a little better than the 940, by the numbers. I dropped the HT link speed multiplier down to 8, and the memory is underclocked a bit, but the 9x multiplier isn't stable. Seems to work quite well. I haven't messed with the ACC yet, but I'm going to leave it here anyway, as I don't want to get too close to the edge! LOL!! I'm happy. My memory bandwidth is about 800 less than yours. Still, it runs right good. I ran Orthos on it for a couple of hours and had no problems. I'll live with it like this for a few days and if all remains good, I'll install 64 bit XP-Pro on it.

Best Regards,
Russ

 

@Russ

B-Careful your over the limit 1.425V my friend I just dropped the volts from +0.75v to +0.50v and bumped the Bus up and lowered the chipset volts from +0.175 to +0.150 a quarter turn on each

Mips


Memory bandwidth


ibt

 

That Amd Propus is looking more like a steal now to me Looks like its well worth its money.

 

Will and Oman7,
Well, sometimes you just have to slow down to speed up! LOL!! I did some more adjusting and fiddling around with the settings. I'm still puzzled as to why the memory will not run on the 400MHz multiplier, which would make the memory run at 1040MHz at this speed, but I'm not unhappy with the results.

As far as the voltage goes, Russell called a Railroad Engineer friend of his who has serious money invested in AMD, and he in turn called a Design Engineer he knows in AMD's R&D. He called me late this evening and I inquired about the voltage. He says that they are good up to 1.50v, but there's a condition to that. It depends on how good the cooling is, and questioned me at length as to the temperatures I was getting under load conditions. He says that I should have no problems at my current 1.440v, so I'll take his word for it. Suffice to say it runs very cool. Here are the results of my latest tweaks!

Processor Arithmetic



Not to bad for a $122 CPU. Best so far! Gonna have to pick it up a bit guys! LOL!! Nothing like a little friendly competition to get things working better, and at a lower clock speed than you Will and at a little higher clock speed than Oman7. This baby really screams at encoding with DVDRB/CCE

Memory BW



I have to choose the 3.33 multiplier, otherwise it hangs up on boot-up. I don't quite know why, but given the way it runs, I'm not too fussed about it. My feeling is that the 260MHz CPU Host Frequency has something to do with it. I also dropped the CPU multiplier to 13.5 because it wasn't quite stable. I've run Occt on it for about 4 hours, and I'm going to run it overnight, if I ever get to bed! LOL!!

Thanks for the help guys,
Russ

 

Thanks for the replies sammorris theonejrs bigwill68
with your guys help I've updated to this:
Case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119106

HDD- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181

Motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128378

GPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858

RAM- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260

PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016

Dvd- I out right now so yeah.

The only things im undecided on are the PSU and GPU. bigwill68 gave 2 other options to pick from but im not sure what the advantages are. Also would the corsair PSU be that much quieter? I mean what advantages does it have being $65 more?

Thanks again guys. I'm barely following along.

 

erkrow22,
I think sammorris could answer the question on the PSU better than I can. The XFX is like the Cadillac when it comes to quality Video Cards, in my opinion. I've used them for years, and I've never had a bad one, or had one quit on me. Very nice people to deal with if you do run into a problem. I had a driver issue once and they not only emailed me the correct drivers, they sent me a timed copy of Driver Magician to remove the old drivers with. They even gave me 3 days before it expired.

Your choices look to me to be very good, and you will have a really nice fast machine. Good luck with the build. Just keep in mind that building a computer is mostly assembly. Install the CPU and the cooler before you mount the motherboard in the case. I even go one step further and connect the wires to the front pane header before I install the board in the case. It's much easier to do it that way. It's not difficult. Just take your time and check everything carefully before you fire it up. Good luck with your first build.

Best Regards,
Russ

 

Here's The Chronicles of Narnia, Prince caspian done with DVDRB/CCE, 2 pass. Note the speed! From the high 12s to the mid 13s. Outstanding! It's also 7 minutes faster than it was when it was running at 3.6GHz! 1 minute Prepare, 22 minute Encode and 7 minutes to rebuild, for a total of 30 minutes!



I'm one happy camper, and I'm going to leave it right where it is!

Best Regards,
Russ

P.S. It never exceeded 41C during the entire encode. That's another surprising thing!

JRS

 

Hot Damn Russ, good for you, and doing it with a small price, in this economy that rings my bell.

erkrow22, You could not get any better advise than these people, made my first build a little more than a year ago, I did not know Jack about building PC's, didn't even know much about computers for that matter and am still a novice compared to these guys, but with thier guidence I went ahead and gave it a shot, and to this day that PC runs like a dream, I built it for my kids so it deffinatly gets worked over.

I would not make a move without consulting these people, your in good hands.

 

dang i think ive been blackballed here. guess im not in the right clique anymore...oh well.lmao

let me add to the testing along with the rest of you speed freaks..lol
ok heres what ive done. its kinda odd im with you Russ i cant get it stable useing the 2.00D strap. i have to use the 2.00B strap and get great results i did have this stable so to say by all testing at 3.91ghz 460mhzx8.5. it just seemed sluggish useing stuff so i got it now super fast at 3.78ghz 445x8.5 and mem(1066) is under clocked right now i am useing hte 2.00B strap instead of the 2.40B which would put my mem at 1068 no biggy. here is what i got on Mips and mem bandwidth. the bandwidth is right on with everyone else but why is there such a difference in Mips for me? we are running right at the same clock speed? does the bandwith matter as far as the amount of mem one has? 2gigs vs 4gigs?

 

Rob, It looks like you are using the older version of Sandra. The newer one doesn't have the performance index on it. If you had this version, it would be a lot slower. Look at Will's!, and he's got it cranked up to 3.93GHz. I'll send you a copy of what Oman7, Will and I are using and then we can see a direct comparison. I'll send it via sendthisfile. If you don't see it, check your spam or junk folders!

Best Regards,
Russ

 

I was going to say, "under 2.5 hours" ! that was one of those spit out your drink all over the screen moments (thankfully I didn't), to me, a defrag taking longer than 45 minutes for a brick of red squares is very unusual.

erkow: A little lost in the benchmark race, but I think your latest build is near the bottom of page 350, if so, it looks reasonable, but I'd change:
HDD to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073
PSU to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139003 (or, if you intend to upgrade to high-end graphics or dual graphics later on, this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817610002 (A very under-rated unit, actually owns the title of quietest full-power PSU ever designed at 11dB up to 250W a.c. in)
The motherboard looks fine if you want an AMD CPU, but you haven't listed one. I'd say it's either:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128378
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103704
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260
for an AMD system (335/30)
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115055
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138123
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
for an Intel system (Core 2) (360)
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128406
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260
for an Intel system (Core i5) (411/15)


This is really a matter of budget. For the cheaper two builds, the AMD probably works out better value. However, spending the extra $80 or so, the Core i5 is more 'bang for the buck' than either of the cheaper systems, as the moderate price increase provides a substantial increase in performance.

 

actually they are the same ones Russ. as i did get it from you in the first place..lol but i did get the one you just sent me and ran it. this is what im looking at. same results.



think it might have something to do with im on 32bit OS and you guys are on 64bit?????

 

What kind of Memory you running Rob? Looking pretty impressive!

Creaky, thanks for the tidbit. I've been meaning to check out auslogics.

 

G-skill ddr2 1066 2x1gb. these here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231144

 

you gotta have Skills to run with the Best.lol

 

I have some Gskills laying around here somewhere. They were quite good in fact. I'll likely be buying them again.

 

Rob,
No, it's a different version. I no longer have the one I sent you. I lost that when the dann Sata formated two drives at the same time. I stretched it out a bit and if you look at yours and then this one you will see there is no Processor Rating on mine. You won't get the same with what I just sent you! Look at the forth item on the bottom list up! See it? There is no such thing on mine. Hell everyone remembers when I made a stink about that, as well as when they canceled 2005. That time the numbers went down. I said that MIPS should be just that, MIPS!



I've stretched this one out a bit so you can see it for yourself! I believe I got this from Marty, who got it from DocTY. Try it yourself and you will see. I gave you that long before I got the one I have now! Those numbers are not possible with my version! See where it says Processor, Model, Speed, Cores per Processor, Type and L2 on-board cache? The performance rating is missing! It was dropped with the version I am using now! Try the one I sent you this morning and the numbers will not be that high! There are several versions of 2007. Some read higher and some read lower. That's what is wrong with Sandra. If you don't have the identical version, the performance difference is meaningless!

Respectfully,
Russ