The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

its not the CPU that is crippled, so why would they?

 

Shaff,
While I fully understand your position, AMD did not get what they paid for! They got screwed, and damn near flushed down the tubes! As far as attacking Apple, If it was proved that Apple deliberately did something like that to their software to keep the performance down on a PC, then they should be held accountable!

You seem to act like Intel's actions are not a big deal, but they are a very big deal! It's Illegal, Unethical, and cheats AMD owners out of the better performance they would have gotten without Intel trying to stack the deck against them! I plan on sending an Inquiry to AMD to ask what they plan to do for the faithful consumers, who own these crippled CPUs, and demand a replacement as soon as they are available! I think we have that right, since AMD didn't know that their chips were being crippled by Intel! It's amazing that this was even discovered, as it was an incredibly difficult thing to detect.

I agree with omegaman7, I've wondered for years why AMDs are so slow at benchmarks yet be so fast in real world performance. I can't wait to see just how much faster the new chips will actually be! I'm pretty sure Oman7 wouldn't mind a 47% performance boost in his new Phenom II 965BE!

Russ

 

Shaff,
I wasn't sure how that worked, so someone needs to tell us where we can get the right codes to let our AMDs run like they ought to! What's it going to take for us to get our AMDs performing better?

Russ

 

Here it all is. Unbelievable. The corsair PSU's never cease to amaze me at how solid their construction feels. It FEELS like a good PSU LOL! *Knocking on wood* The solid state disk made my jaw drop. I can barely feel it in my hand. I believe it weighs less than a deck of cards! Can't wait to play. Unfortunately beddy bye here
My camera is getting better at taking pictures. Or maybe I am LOL! I picked up a few tricks. Not bad for a 100$ camera several years ago.

 

Sam,
I upped the room temperature to 82F/28C. That put my idle temp at 30C and the motherboard temperature at 39C. I encoded another huge DVD, Casino Royale and the CPU ticked 40C once during the entire encode. It was 38-39C for all but that little fraction of a second where it flipped to 40 and right back to 39C. The motherboard reached 45C, and that's as warm as it got. I have to assume that the thermal tape I am sure I disturbed trying to get the cover off the VRM cooler, has reseated itself a bit even though the room temperature was higher, and the motherboard ran 44-45C all the way trough the encode.

I have some customer work to do first, and then I'll pull the coolers and clean everything up and remount it with Ceramique. From what I can see, the motherboard should run much cooler. I'll redo the Southbridge as well!

Russ

 

let me toss my super PI in the mix..lol


just a few seconds slower then sam's I5 with a little more OC than his. thats the main reason i didnt got with a I5 build right now. not worth the extra money for so little gain.

now isnt this twice the speed of a AMD?

 

Good LAWDY Robert.. don't get him started!!!! ROFL (Russ that is)

 

Allow me to chuck mine in there as well



At my current settings as shown in sig. Been 24/7 stable for almost a year now

I will make the specific mention that Super PI is heavily biased towards Intel. Intel processors that are slower per-core than mine have beat me. Even though Intel is faster per-clock the program is biased.

 

Entitlement mentality!! I'm not sure that's a good idea here. That would definitely cripple either company at this point.

AMD shouldn't have to do anything but offer some code I'm hoping. What's it gonna do to their prices?? Are they gonna be able to raise them and therefore force the consumer to really debate Intel or AMD? lol. I hope it just drives the prices down a little... with both companies? Who knows?

Intel has had the upper hand at Benches... but who gives a CR@P? I've seen the performance of both AMD and Intel and I'm impressed with both.. if this "ISSUE" is fixed will it promote that much better "real world" performance or just increase BLOODY bench times?? I could care less how fast something tests... NOW how fast it encodes or runs programs smoothly... THAT'S THE REAL TEST!!!!

If anything is available or will be available I'm sure you'll be able to find it Russ. I agree on this point actually... and it presses me to think about AMD with my next build in less than 5 years I hope... lol.

[rant]OH.. and something to add... I H@TE Apple and all their cr@p!! The reason I don't own a Mac, iPod, or iPhone... forcing me to use or do something that doesn't work or works like cr@p doesn't make me happy... just like M$ if you ask me!!![/rant]

 

Ok... here's mine too. LOL.

Intel E6850 (yep LOWLY Core Duo cpu only OC'd to 3.6)

 

This is also based on per-core performance don't forget. SuperPi is single threaded.

 

Yeh... I remember.. lol. I was just messing with Robert and his NEW rig.. I'm only about a second behind his marks and at 3.6 NOT 4.0.

Don't get me wrong.. his computer will kick the crap out of mine but it still looks good at a few different tests.

btw.. was checking out your siggy... nice puter but you've gotta replace that Thermaltake case... hehehehe. Me likey the DFI mobo and Mushkin RAM... you is learning boy.. good stuff. (btw that should get someone started.. Russ or Sammy that is. )

 

gotta love this computer room. 2 machines to play on..lol
im on the 690 rig(E8400) here is the PI test with the E8400 @3.33ghz
gonna make me do some OCing on this puppy arent ya all..lol. nope this is it for this puppy. getting reasy to instal COD4 back on it for the boys. no i dont have CODMW2 for the pc yet..unless Sam hooks me up again..


not to shabby..

im on this rig while burning on the other...lol now if i waz good i could start a burn on each system at the same time and see which gets done faster..lol

 

No way man this is the old school full steel construction version. I love it and have no plans to replace it in the immediate future. Plus I've done several mods to it myself so it's custom tailored to this rig.

DFI was a pleasant surprise to me really. I've been using Gigabyte exclusively for a few years. But they didn't have an AM2+ 790FX board available at the time, only AM3. This LanParty 790FX board has treated me well.

Mushkin RAM I've always been partial to. Have bought several of their kits and both of my PCs are currently using Mushkin XP Series

 

yea i have the ddr2 800 mushkin in this rig now and love them. i want the 2x2gb kit for the other system but wow the price for them

 

Mushkin RAM is hella expensive yes. My 2 x 1GB CL4-4-3-10 kit was over $200 at the time. My 2 x 2GB kit I was lucky to get cheap at $110.

RAM prices dropped to rock bottom for a few months last year. You could get a reasonable spec 2 x 2GB kit for $35 not even kidding. Several of my friends upgraded then.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146785

hmmm should i?????
i like these alot.
dont know why they dont have there redline brand in the DDR2 1066 falvor..lol

 

I would. That is some sexy RAM ;P

 

BukyOHare: Hi and welcome. You are fortunate that a multimedia PC does not require particularly powerful parts as it is gaming and video encoding that really requires processing power. You can get away with a cheap dual core and basic graphics card for HD video with the advent of GPU video decoding.
Bluray drives aren't that expensive, and DVD drives are very cheap. As for the number of hard disks, you can never have too many It really comes down to how much you think you will need or can afford. Most large cases can fit a lot of hard drives.
For sound, the onboard sound built into a motherboard can produce 7.1 audio with good quality. This is something else that is only an issue if doing professional work or playing games.
4GB of RAM is the typical standard for any powerful PC. It does not cost a fortune, for the uses you describe, 4GB is ample.
The video outputs you describe are standard on modern graphics cards. If you want more than three outputs you may have to buy a more expensive graphics card, but it is doable. Cards such as the HD5750 have four outputs.
The motherboards I specify for mid to high-end PCs have two USB3 ports fitted as standard, as well as S-ATA3, so that's no real issue.
For wireless networking, you will need to buy a wireless card, as that does not come as standard. The same goes for bluetooth, you can use it but wil need to buy a USB dongle for it.

Russ: It's an evil marketing scheme I agree, but it's nowhere near as bad as other examples. AMD CPUs themselves aren't crippled, they just aren't able to run programs written using a rival's compiler as fast as said rival's own CPUs. Let's be honest, if AMD want the best performance, they should make their own compiler!
This is all made to sound like it's suddenly appeared out of the blue and nobody knew about it before, I've known it for ages... Just remember, Intel aren't stopping AMD CPUs from running certain programs full stop, like a certain company in the PC sector does.

Rob: I've seen a 4.4Ghz Q9550 outperform mine, so I think SuperPi really cares about it being Intel, and being a high clock speed, not which Intel you have. My i5 stomps the Q9550 in 3dmark, but in SuperPi is relatively unaffected. Still faster, but I never got my Q9550 to 4.12Ghz

 

Sam what mobo did you have your 9550 on the X48? takeing mine from the DS3R to the new UD3P the mobo makes a big difference.