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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

Discussion in 'Building a new PC' started by ddp, Jul 16, 2008.

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  1. omegaman7

    omegaman7 Senior member

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    Ha ha! On another note, Memtest86+ 4.0 appears to acknowledge all of my current hardware perfectly. I'll be running the test tomorrow :D
     
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    Oman7,
    Just a S.W.A.G. (Scientific Wild A$$ Guess), but not all flash drives can boot. Is it possible that yours can't boot so it hangs? I ran into that problem a couple of times on other computers. You can boot from all 3 of my flash drives, but it will hang if I put the freebie AMD 128MB drive Russell has. It's not bootable! Just a thought.

    Russ
     
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    omegaman7 Senior member

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    I have no problems during startup if that's what you mean. And know this, the same flash drives are acknowledged highly rapidly by an MSI board, that I have in my brothers HTPC. I told him he was getting a really good deal, because it's one of the smoothest boards I've owned. If not the smoothest! He likes it a great deal. Windows 7, 2 smooth media players, and 40" of Full HD bliss! Not to mention wireless mouse and keyboard ;)

    Ok. I just tried to print, and connected the drive to a different port. A rear port, via extension cord. It didn't effect the print job. I then connected it to a front port. 1.5 seconds later, Bam! Print job stopped. Like the data throughput ceased! Very weird. So what the frick! Do I need to rewire the damn HAF! LOL! I suppose that's fine. I still love the HAF932, despite this little bug. I now am thinking that that past bug was the HAF, and not the board...
     
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    Estuansis Active member

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    This seems to be an electrical incompatibility, I have a friend who suffered the same issues with the same board and case.
     
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    omegaman7 Senior member

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    Ah hah! Good to know. Thanks for coming forward :)
     
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    Oman7,
    USB 2.0 does not do well with an extension cord, especially if it's plugged into the front panel. USB 2.0 does not work well with long power runs, particularly to a printer. That's one of the improvements that USB 3.0 will make. Voltage control is handled better, and you can place higher loads on the ports. If you are going to continue to use an extension cord for the printer, put a powered hub at the junction of the two cords, in from your computer and out to the printer. I know that if I use the extension I have for my USB wireless, plugged into the front panel, it won't work and you get a low voltage warning from XP-Pro. With USB 3.0 they've done some electronic wizardry to solve that problem. The need was that people want to be able to hook up just about anything electronic to the USB ports. I've even heard a few rumors of a small coffee maker, USB Powered. I briefly read a technical paper on how they made it all work, but I only scanned through it. I'll have to see if I can find it again!

    Best Regards,
    Russ
     
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    i used to have an MP3 player from creative that acted as a mass usb drive and on any windows PC it would jsut hang the computer unless you removed it. be it vista/xp/32bt/64bt, but i put it in a mac and it worked no problem. was odd to say the least.

    and my current HDD enclosure for my external drive wont let my PC pass the DFI startup screen before it POSTs, till i turn of the drive, even with a different HDD in the enclosure and different itteratiosn of win7 installed. both front and back ports, in two different cases.
     
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    Pointless post. I was drinking last night, and made a boo boo LOL!
     
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    You could just run (short) USB extension cables from rear USB ports for using your USB sticks, i do that (just for flash drives) for a few machines, saves buggering about behind machines, reaching down on the floor etc.
    As to reinstalling, i'm not au fait enough with Win7 installs, my favourite trick with XP is to 'reinstall over the top' ie you don't lose any programs or data, just Windows files get replaced. I did this just the other day when trying to troubleshoot my reboots and freezing. Turns out the reinstall made no difference, it seems that simply reseating the RAM sticks solved the problem. As i said a few posts back, i won't touch the innards of a machine once built, but it cured my crashes in this instance (i wouldn't have minded if the contacts on the RAM were rusty or something LOL, but i didn't even wipe them down, i just blew invisible dust off).
     
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    I have one of these creaky. I've been afraid to connect it, for fear it may be what caused past issues. However, I don't think it ever did now.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817269003
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    Unfortunately, the input it requires, I only have one cable. And my camera uses it. So it's somewhat tedious when I have to use it LOL! I've been meaning to buy another one of those cables for a while now. I've had it in my newegg cart a few times, but once it's been in there too long, they remove it, and I space it :p
     
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    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    I can't tell you how many cheapy USB hubs i've wasted money on over the years, most of them were useless. For flash drives i just use single extension cables, and for more greedy devices i use cheapy PCI cards, a few years ago i bought loads of generic 5port PCI cards and they work great, i don't bother with cheapy USB hubs anymore, most of them can't even support more than a couple of flash drives at the same time (and to add insult to injury some of the hubs are powered and they're still crap!).

    These are pretty much what i use, they have VIA 6212 chipsets (i've long forgotten if that actually means anything) ~

    [​IMG]

    There's a lot of varieties of them out there, they're probably produced by the millions in Chinese sweatshops, let's be honest it's just a sliver of PCB with a tiny amount of transistors and connections, but they work much better than cheapy hubs
     
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    One of the ports is somewhat finicky, and it gets its power from the PC. No complaints as of yet. Most of the darn hubs do get bad reviews. I guess it won't surprise me when it quits ;)

    I've bought a few of those in my day as well LOL! As well as a firewire card for my brother.
     
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    Looks like that Hub just quit. I haven't ran it in a few months, and now none of the ports are working properly. At least with the kingston drive. My other drives appear to work ok. I even tried running the HUB to one of the USB 3.0 ports, in the hopes it would supply more power? No change. The kingston drive just p!$$ed me off royally. I wonder if other large drives have this issue too...
     
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    The only bad thing about installing XP, or any Windows over itself is that you can't format the drive if you want to save anything. If you are dealing with one of the many current viruses floating around these days, even formatting isn't enough. The drive needs to be wiped because the virus has affected the boot sector of the drive, so the virus will come back. I know you use Linux, so viruses are not as big a problem, but it is something you have to consider when the OS is windows.

    Best Regards,
    Russ
     
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    omegaman7 Senior member

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    I'm so sick of hearing about virus's. Why can't people just leave others alone! People work hard for what they have!!! I suppose it does stimulate inspiration though...
     
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    theonejrs Senior member

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    Oman7,
    It's a power trip, easily cured by judicious use of a nice baseball bat, applied in various spots around the head and body! Take out about 20 teeth, and it will inspire them not to do it again! I might go to jail, and I don't care, but I'll be out of jail before they get out of the hospital and stop hurting! LOL!! I swing a mean bat!

    Russ
     
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    Ha ha! Agreed!

    It's people that create nasty virus's that give me the inspiration to learn all that I can, and get even with pricks like that! Mark my words!
     
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    Yeah, i don't get viruses so the occasional 'reinstall over the top' is sufficient to get XP healthy again, but i concur on the baseball bat :)
     
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    ddp Moderator Staff Member

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    don't use the bat on the head but on every bone in the hands. this gives a double payback in that they can't type again & they'll get arthritus(sp?) early in live.
     
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