The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

Omega: I have a Win7 and a Server 2008R2 PC networked together, so same thing essentially. No lag here. I will lag if I select an idle drive as they're set to spin down when idle but no lag there. Perhaps there's a setting set to scan drives, and yours too are spun down at idle. I know that used to be a problem for me in Vista I think it was.
Have you tried your USB drive in a USB hub?
Personally I think having a 40mm fan drop chipset temps by 10 degrees implies a problem with airflow through the case, which is normal if you're going for silence, and if you are, you can just leave the chipset unsinked, having them run that warm doesn't cause any problems.

 

I actually agree with you Sammy and the reason for asking about the side "intake" fan..

Because I'm lazy and can't remember (CRS disease) ... what case do you have Red_Maw?

 

A good example of this is my PCH which gets to 63C when I play games with my side fans off, due to the immense heat of the nearby 4870X2s. If I turn the side fans up to max, that drops to the low-mid 30s.

 

Me too, LOL!
Really tho...I've heard of computers being "sexy"...and calling my pc "she" like a boat...but thats taking things to a more intimate level...

 

Heh, that's lulzy.

 

i can mount my cooler any orientation i like, though i dint think it maes a difference! lol

 

It does if it dumps all the heat from your CPU into your Power Supply...

 

why would it? psu is upside down so its not taking in any heat, and the rad is dispersing the heat

 

Sam,
The problem is the NB and the CPU cooler are so close that if you accidentally face it the wrong way, and manage to throw the lever, you can cut yourself to shreds getting it off again! Just ask Fred! ) I did recently say that I planed another 15 CFM of airflow by moving the 53 CFM FN121 to the front intake and replacing it with a 68 CFM Scythe Slipstream at the back exhaust. You also have to keep in mind that air is a lot like electricity and water, in that it takes the path of least resistance. You can't get that much of a breeze going through such a small space. Add the Video card in the 16x slot, and the NB is surrounded by heat. All a 25 mm fan will do is help spread the heat, for the air that does move from front to back to pick up more easily. on the P35, the Freezer 7 actually overhung the NB Heat sink. I had barely enough room to add the fan to the NB heatsink, as it just barely cleared the CPU cooler. The motherboard temps dropped like a brick!

NZXT had a pretty good idea when they added fans inside the case to aid the front to rear airflow. What they need is a fan that's mounted on something flexible, so it could be directed in a particular direction and angle. It wouldn't add to the case pressure, only the strength of the airflow from the fan location on. It would help direct the air along, where you need it most. That's another reason I'm a fan of Negative case pressure. It makes the static vents work harder, which overall gives you more airflow than Positive pressure would. I know people will argue that, but if you have positive case pressure, your static air vents aren't doing very much to aid cooling, just relieving pressure from the case, and misdirecting and stagnating airflow inside the case.

Hell, I must be doing something right. The case stays cleaner inside, and there no whiskers growing in any of the usual places, like around the optical drives, or the bay openings. I am going to put the Scythe on the back and try it before I put the FN121 in the front, and see how it cools. The best cooling case I've ever seen is the "T" series eMachines. They have phenomenal cooling with a Freezer 64 on the CPU, replacing the garbage cooler that came with it. Russell's idles in the low 20s, and never exceeds 46C, all with a single 80mm rear 33 CFM fan! The case looks like swiss cheese behind the front cover, but all those holes promote good airflow. They even fold the IDE cable for the ODD in a way where it doesn't affect the case airflow at all, and it's most definitely negative pressure, with no intake fan or a place to put one. It's a brilliant cooling case! I didn't even need to put a fan on the chipset, like I had to with the original motherboard. Of course I threw out the memory and the PSU, as well as the CPU cooler. I put a Thermaltake 500w PSU, and 2x2GB of 800 MHz GSkill in it. With the 65w 7750BE in it, it runs great!

Russ

 

Shaff,
Yup, you can do that when you have a passive cooler like it shows in your sig! ROFLMSOAO!!

You didn't think I was going to miss that, did you? :0)

Best Regards,
Russ

 

old sig lol. sorry russ updated!

 

Sam, I don't allow my HDD's to idle anymore. My oldest drive has over 14,000hrs. and it still performs very well *knocking on wood*

 

Haven't ordered yet, there's no rush on the weekend since no one will ship XD

lian-li A77F (I got my "faulty" one for a lot less, I'm not that insane ;P)

There's no side intake, and I'm not adding one lol. I've considered raising the airflow in the case but that would involve using some high cfm fans, and we all know the drawbacks to that.

Same concept still applies though XD

 

Red_Maw... ok looked at your case and you better not have paid that much!! Anyway I'm afraid that you'll have to do something to better your flow if you wanna get it "cooler" than it is... Russ's option is pretty good... what about one of these??

Antec Spot Cool

 

That's an idea, thanks GM. Before buying anything I'm going to see if I can mount a spare 80mm fan to achieve the desired effect; with a few zip ties and some ingenuity it might just work XD

 

GM,
The problem with the Spot Cool, is the fan head size. It's 89mm! Even with the goose-neck, it would be very difficult to get close enough to the problem to be effective. I've tried 80mm fans in similar fashion as the spot cool, and they aren't very effective at all. His biggest problem is the CPU cooler. It's just too damn long and wide, and is so close to the rear exhaust fan that some of the cooler's airflow goes under the exhaust fan and bounces off the lower rear of the case, back at the cooler, VRMs and the NB. It's very hard to alter the course of the airflow when the maximum flow of air is so close to the exhaust. Another problem with the NH-D14, is it's two coolers, each of which is supported only by the pipes in opposite directions. All that weight is just cantilevered off of the cooler's base plate, with a 120mm hanging on the rear, and a 140mm hanging on the front, adding more weight and vibration. It should have a brace between the two sections of the cooler. It's biggest problem though, is it's length of 160mm and it's width of 140mm, which brings it way too close to the rear exhaust fan, and butts it right up against the Northbridge heatsink. If I had to live with it, I would move the rear exhaust to the outside of the case, just to give the cooler air a little room to expand a bit so the case will exhaust more effectively.

As far as a thinner 40mm goes, thicker isn't a problem, as there should be more than enough room to put the Antec vertically on the front side of the heatsink. I've effectively used velcro tape and stuck one right to the MB. The Antec is the slowest of the 40mm fans at 2200 RPM, yet moves more air than it's closest competitor does at 5000 RPM, and is virtually inaudible doing it! Of course you could go real crazy and get one of those Sunon 19,000 24+ CFM fans to do the job. It's only 59.9 dBA! LOL!! Just don't forget to factor in the cost of a pair of E.A.R. plugs! LOL!! Whatever fan he chooses, he still needs to find a cooler that doesn't take up as much space. I would also recommend taking the aluminum cover off of the top of the NB cooler. The cover is held on by double sided thermal tape, so it comes off very easily! They look pretty but they trap more heat than they help remove! I've removed both of mine, and my MB temps rarely get to 40C!

Best Regards,
Russ

 

I've thought of that, but I really don't want to buy another air cooler. If money permits I'll move to water cooling for the cpu this summer and say good by to all these problems lol (and hello to a bunch more XD).

 

Well right or wrong this is what I have coming now... dang you BigWilly... my money is disappearing quicker than I wanted it too... lol. I'll use the TX3 on another "smaller" build for me parents... they is getting one of my 939 Dual Cores now.. Prolly the 4200 as it's the newest of the 2 and in a mini tower.. easier for the them to move about and stuff.

In case ye missed the linky... Sunbeam Core-Contact Freezer

 

hey guys