The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

Oman7,
You just need to point out that the MB and CPU temps are reversed, and the 2.5v/1.65v is the memory voltage. Looks very good!

Russ

 

see that's the part. I don't like reason why. I sent my board back to gigabyte tryed too different Os Xp and Win7 to see if problem was in the system it self. That sould'en be happening like that, Russ yours read correct it may just be the am3 ud4p & ud4 boards just a guess but if so. I'm jumping to ma890 or back to Biostar haven heard nobody complain about the ta890fxe it's got the record with your 955BE need. I say more.lol

 

Will,
With all due respect, it's not the motherboard, it's Everest! Even when it does work right, it tells you on install that it doesn't recognize the chipset, and asks for permission to collect data on it. And with the current economic situation it's going to take some time. You are blaming Gigabyte for Everest's problem! Also I'm pretty sure that Oman7's post is V4.60, not 5.30. Even if it isn't, the information is still there and you know what it's telling you, so what's the difference? I wouldn't scrap a great motherboard just because Everest hasn't caught up with it yet! That's what happens when you do no development on AMDs for over two years. They've just caught up with AM2+, and it will be a while before they catch up with AM3! besides, Ive only had two customer motherboard failures in the past year, and both of them were BioStar, so you can understand my reluctance! One of those held the record too! It was the same TForce board you had! LOL!!

Best Regards,
Russ

 

I'll pass on this update if don't see the reason why Your Blind.lol


Response to Russ

not gonna scrap try to sell

we have the same chipset SB750 I run the latest Everest on all my machine so it should'en be any problems recognizing the chip. I've always had problems with Revision 1.0 motherboards from gigabyte beyond my understanding. I've had luck with Rev 2.0 & 2.1 boards

the differences is things are not in order like the should be who's to say there's not a mowfunction in the chip itself or a miss read information tranfer to everest?

The pin configuration of the AM2+ socket 940 pins is mechanically different from the AM3 socket 941 pins one pin should'en hold them up that long to get things right or they did'nt hire the right people for the job.lol while current AM3 processors have only 938 pins

that's no reason to but them down how many times have replaced a gigabyte board? for reasons. I like both Brands but both have there Faults only reluctance. I have for biostar is there built on audio it does'nt sound good as gigabyte's but that can always be fixed by a new sound card like a sound blaster, did'nt have a tForce have a TPower and still do I45 the Dual Core record Holder With all due respect there's a different in platform and plus those where AMD low end boards you may have been using. I don't know you have to show me which ones.Seems EveryBody hates Biostar. I was the only one here had one for the longest time B4. I bought the UD3P Rev 1.6 for a spare. I like Biostar and no one can change my mind about that not all there products just some that holds Good Reviews

 

Will: Sending a board back simply because Everest shows the CPU and Motherboard temps the wrong way round? Who cares? Personally, I would blame everest. No hardware monitoring program is free from errors, everest is no exception.
I don't hate Biostar, but there has never been an occasion where I could justify buying one. With my Core 2s I wanted an X38/X48 chipset and Biostar didn't make anything but P45 boards. With my i5 I wanted the Lotes CPU socket, Biostar only produced Foxconn socket boards. If they made something suitable, I was more than willing to try it out.

Russ: It depends what the CPU is being used for. For games I'll agree, an X2 555 is a better choice, though it is more expensive at $100 versus $85. In real world applications, however, with the exception of WinRAR (which is often I/O limited) the G9650 fares equal or better in every non-synthetic test in that THG suite. One could argue that gamers are more likely to dabble with overclocking than workbench users, and when overclocked, there is no contest, unless the extra cores on the 555 are unlocked.

 

Russ, please help me understand. Though with all around good temps, I really shouldn't be concerned. You think my CPU and Mobo temps are reversed? Then why does the temperature decrease sooo rapidly. CPU's don't do that. Not even on water :S If you're right, then I've totally let something blow right over my head
My version of everest is 5.50.2143beta.

 

Actually, CPUs do do that, especially on water. Motherboard temps rarely change very quickly.

 

Will,
I'm going to reply in a separate post, as it will be too confusing otherwise.

When I said scrap, I didn't mean it literally! By all means, sell it if you don't like it!

We do not have the same chipset. We both have the same 750 Southbridge. I have the 790x Northbridge, while you have the 790XT, Yours is DDR3, AM3 only, while mine is DDR2 and can use AM2/AM2+/AM3 CPUs. My motherboard is only Rev 1.0, and there won't be any later Revisions as the board has been discontinued after about a 15 month run. Quite successfully too, I might add!

The so called "Proper order" you mention doesn't really matter. It's still not the fault of the motherboard. EasyTune reads the information just fine, as does OverDrive.

The pin configuration is much more than 1 pin. There are 8 different pins that are used depending on what CPU is used to supply information to the bios, that expands the bios functions. Put an AM2 in it and there is no ACC, just as an example. The board sees an AM2+ and ACC is activated. Put in an AM3 and other functions are added, but only up to the AM2+ level. Put the AM3 in an AM3 board and there is additional stuff added. The same socket is used for all three, but you can't accidentally drop an AM2 into an AM3 socket. I think it's rather clever, myself!

Excuse me, TPower. I knew it was T something! It was the same board you had! I'm not putting them down at all. I do question their durability though! Currently Asus is still #1, with Gigabyte #2 and MSI #3. Biostar is currently #9, behind ECS, which is #8. Given ECS's reputation, #8 is a remarkable comeback, of sorts. The point is, very few on AD buy Biostar, and I can only assume that the Asus and Gigabytes are better boards for the enthusiast's needs. Both companies offer a wider range of choices, which means more flexibility for the consumer, and both can claim that their customers have faith in their products. I personally would not buy the Biostar TA890FXE motherboard because of the Sata3 6.0GB/s.on it. I wouldn't buy any motherbord with that on it at the moment. It's just not ready enough yet. Same thing goes for DDR3. The improvement in performance just isn't enough to warrant the extra cost for me. With the Sata 6.0GB/s, the problem is bandwidth, or rather lack of it. There's a couple of motherboards that have a dedicated Sata3 chip, but others have to live within the bandwidth supplied by the Southbridge.

As I told you earlier, What you build is up to you. I don't think anyone cares what anyone builds. Interested, yes, but I don't think it matters what you get to anyone but you. I've always built what I wanted, and never caught a lot of flack over it. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they hated BioStar. I think it's more a matter of preference! I try to look at it subjectively, based on my needs and balanced out to give me the most bang for my buck.

I've looked at the Biostar TA890FXE you mentioned, and frankly, I find it lacking! Specifically in only having 4+2 phase power regulation, and the spacing of the 4 PCIE slots. It limits you to single slot video cards or two double slot cards because of the horrible slot spacing. There's no excuse for something like that. There's also only 5 Sata3 6.0GB/s Sata ports available on the motherboard, with an eSata on the rear.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138193

If I was going to go with a MB that had Sata3 6.0GB/s, I would rather have the GigaByte GA-890XA-UD3 based on the 790X chip. Same price, but with 8+2 phase Power regulation, 8 total Sata ports, 2 are Sata3 6.0GB/s. Only two PCIE slots, but room enough for two slot video cards. USB 3.0 as well. Again, better bang for the buck! Better warranty too! Three year warranty on the parts instead of two!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128438

Just my opinion, of course!

Best Regards,
Russ

 

I think refusing to buy a board because it has SATA3 on it is a bit rich. It's not like the SATA3 being there makes anything else worse, just that it's unnecessary cost. Given that it comes on most high-end boards now, you can't really ignore it, even though I agree with you on it being useless, much like SATA2 was before the SSD arrived.
Last time I checked DDR3 was actually cheaper than DDR2, perhaps it differs in the US, but again, it's not something to avoid for a new system, though it's obvious why you'd want to avoid it for an AMD upgrade, already owning DDR2 memory.
I can't really say I hate Biostar because I've never tried one. I see a fair few people take it personally that people don't buy Biostar boards, assuming we think they're bad (not naming names). For me, it's just that they haven't been suitable. Before the i5 came out, back when I was looking at buying an LGA1366 board, the Biostar X58 board was my #1 choice.
The slot spacing on that TA890FXE board is a little strange, I can see why that would attract criticism, but it's not really much different to normal boards, just a bit of a waste, it has 16x slots where 1x slots would normally be. It is, however, missing slot 1. There should really be a 1x slot there, so there's one you can actually use if you go crossfire. Also, only 5 SATA ports? 6 rear USBs is also not ideal, considering there's only 1 firewire, 1 network and 1 eSATA port. The board seems very average, but it's not hugely expensive.
Gigabyte's identically priced rival to the board is the 890XA-UD3. This gets you the proper layout of PCIe slots, getting the right airflow spacing for crossfire, and allowing for the use of 1, and at a pinch two 1x slots when CF is in use, but still retains the 2 PCI slots. It also has 8 S-ATA ports versus 5, though 6 are S-ATA3 rather than the other way round like normal, is that a typo? It's got the full compliment of 10 USB ports at the rear, 2 of which are USB3, along with an extra eSATA port. The board seems massively superior to the Biostar to me.

 

Oman7,
With the Coolit ECO, my CPU temp drops from 47C to 36C, in the blink of an eye when I cancel stress testing. I'll see if I can rig up a demo for you using the Time/Date clock. Normal use sees the Core temps about 5-6C warmer than the CPU. It just shows how efficient liquid is at removing the CPU heat, That's why the pump never gets warm. You need to do the 70mm fan mod, and the MB temps will go down substantially. I know that for a fact! You will be able to put the Video card back in it's proper slot too! That 49C will magically become more like 36-37C. I know for sure, because before I got the fans worked out, my CPU ran as high as 53C under load, with the cores always being about 58C, or 5C higher. With water cooling, the CPU has to be cooler than the cores. If it isn't, there's something wrong!

Oh! The 2.5v that reads 1.65v is your memory voltage!

BTW, please do yourself a big favor and make sure the pump is plugged into the power supply header. It's the only header that is 12v at all times, regardless of bios settings! I'm pretty sure the 4300 rpm is not the pump, as that would be way too fast and quite loud, as it would buzz like a killer bee! As I said before, I prefer to take no chances of messing up the pump and plug it into a PSU molex with an adapter. Do the fan mod and that 49C will disappear, never to be seen again! LOL!!! If you need a fan, let me know as I have a spare, and an extra!

Best Regards,
Russ

 

Sorry Sam,
I meant internal! LOL!! Danged if you aren't right. there are 4 Sata3 6.0Gb/s ports, two eSata on the rear, and two internal headers (the white ones), and 6 Sata2 3.0Gb/s headers for a total of 10. I just assumed the breakout panel! My bad! The Biostar has 5 internal headers and a single eSata3 6.0Gb/s on the rear, for 6 total.

Best Regards,
Russ

 

Instant drop in CPU temp happens with any cooler when you cancel stress testing, water or air. My CPU temps jump 15ºC the very instant I run IBT, and drop 15ºC or so the instant I close it. The overall temperature rises slowly as the heatsink warms up during that process, but there's an instant rise, presumably attributable to the small heatspreader that contacts the heatsink.
4300rpm for a pump sounds, well, it depends how big the pump is. Some of the WC pumps I've seen have been tiny, and would have to be that sort of rpm to move the litres per minute figures they claim. The Laing DDC can only have been an inch or two wide and moved serious water, before it seized and broke the owner's PSU... lol
Agree on using a molex for a pump though, they use a lot more power than a fan, and you're at risk of damaging a motherboard fan header if you plug it into one of those.

 

Sam,
This one is less than 2w! That's why I'm pretty sure it isn't the pump because it's not plugged into the power fan. It says fan #5. It's not tiny as you can tell by the housing, and the hoses connect through swivels on the end. Ultra silent too! I'll find out the RPMs though. The other reason I don't think it's the pump is the size of the water lines. They are only 1/8", inside diameter. The pump would not have to spin that fast to move such a narrow stream of water

While I agree to a point about the CPU temp dropping fast, on mine it's an instant 11C drop, in less than a second. I'm serious, if you blink you will miss it. It's like bang, right now. The real tip off is the CPU reading higher than the Cores. Something would have be seriously wrong for that to happen. I imagine that the h50 would not drop the temp as fast, because it's pump gets pretty warm, so there's more residual heat to remove The closest I've ever seen mine get is 2C difference, and that was when running the single Scythe fan, before I did the fan mod with the 70mm fan, to better cool the chipset heatsink. It's so open, there is virtually no noise at all. It's so easy to do as well. it just slips snugly in between the pump body and the two plastic thumbscrews with the open side of the fan towards the pump housing. I still haven't gotten a long enough zip tie to secure mine. The air that blows off of the fan, feels cooler than the surrounding air, to the touch, and the fan apparently has pretty good CFM. I put my video card back in the 16x slot, and the temps remained just as cool with the fan blowing right on the back of the card from about 3" away. A simple and inexpensive tool-less cure for the problem. It even looks good!

Best Regards,
Russ

 

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/29/seagate-busts-out-3tb-external-hard-drive-for-250/

look whats arrived!

 

Well, that's one way of dealing with all the complaints about 3TB drives not working as OS drives Who'd use such a big drive as their main anyway, really?

 

Meh, the one external drive I bought, left a sour taste in my mouth. I'll not do it again.
Thanks for setting me straight guys. I'll have to take your words for it, that the Power house that a CPU is, can be cooled rapidly via air or water. And that everest, as long as I can remember, has had this reversed issue. Sounds to me like the Everest software developers are Intel Biased. Unfortunate...
So...the Motherboard temps are actually the Northbridge heat pipe? And when I position a fan to blow air toward the lower section under the CPU, I'll radically reduce this so called MOBO temperature? I'll give that a shot. I have multiple fans Probably just what the doctor ordered.

 

Why would they be? I've only run intel systems since before I started using everest, yet on several occasions my CPU/board temps have been reversed.

Motherboard temps aren't the temperature of the heatpipe, they're a sensor on the chipset. How accurate said sensor is I'm not sure, but the temp is usually a good reading of how hot the chipset is.

 

Well, I apologize then. That statement was unwarranted. I was under the impression by russ's AM2,AM2+,AM3 statement(About them being behind), suggested that they concentrated more on intel. I guess that's just simply not true.
If the heat pipe cools the chipset, I think I understand.

 

Can you expand on how the pump broke the psu sam? You've got me concerned since I'm currently running 2 DDC3.25's lol

 

The plastic casing cracked, the pump was slightly obstructed which caused it to stick and overheat. The PSU was an OCZ PowerStream, which presumably, under severe stress simply failed. Presumably not a very good unit. The PSU was replaced with a Corsair HX 520 and the pump with a DTek DB-1.