The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition

Oman7,
I wouldn't go so far as to say Biased. It's just more of a case of AMD not doing very much for a couple of years. The socket AM2 was a flop, for the most part, and not as good as the socket 939 CPUs they replaced, by a wide margin. The 512MB L2 cache per core hurt any performance they might have had. They were 90mm vs the Intel's 65nm. The Brisbane started out as a total flop as did the Phenom, and it had a major bug that the cure they came up with, made slower. When the Intel C2D Comroe came out at the end of 2006, to rave reviews, it almost sunk AMD's Battleship! Had AMD not purchased Ati when it did, I doubt that AMD would have survived.

Lets face it, you can't blame Everest for not putting a lot of effort into AMD motherboards, when hardly anyone was buying them. It wasn't until early 2009 with the release of the Phenom II Quad core, that very many people had any real interest in AMD at all. Everest wasn't Intel biased, Intel was simply the only game in town for more than two years. Nothing AMD made during that time period was remotely competitive with the C2D or the Quad cores from Intel that followed.

Best Regards,
Russ

 

I wonder if AMD users were BUYING their software. THAT would be unfortunate. I guess I understand what you're saying though

 

I wouldn't go that far. ATI didn't have quite the same popularity back then as they did after the HD4 and HD5 series success. On top of that, the first thing ATI came out with after the merger was, I believe, the HD2900 series, which was a total disaster. They shortly followed it up with a huge dieshrink and a performance boost, but they were in much the same situation as AMD CPUs, cheap but slow compared to the best of the competition. It took the HD4 series 21 months after the merger for AMD to really reap the benefits of the ATI acquisition.

 

Sam,
I should have qualified that better. What Ati brought to AMD was a much more organized business sense. This was important because of the previous "Scatter-gun" methods AMD had been using for years. Note that after the acquisition of Ati by AMD, there was no more Vaporware, or missing of promised delivery dates. I think both companies were very good for each other!

Russ

 

Oman7,
I just got off the phone with Coolit Systems, and the pump runs at 1200 rpm. You need to find out what is running so fast as fan #5, as it isn't the pump.

Russ

 

So I got off work early today and decided it was a good idea to try out taking off the NB gigabyte heatsink cover and put the 70mm fan from the 965be stock cooler blowing on it like Russ has. Wow that was a horribly long sentance. Anyhoo so I removed the cover with a slight bit of difficulty but nothing horribly so. I was going to take off the other cover as well but for that one I think I will at the very least take the ecolit out of the chassis. So then I removed the fan from the amd cooler which took 2 hands and a my nose(stand in hand) so far so good. Mine doesn't sit snugly though between the pump mounting screws and the pump body so I strapped it to the top of the screw heads with a twisty tie going through the mounting screw holes in the fan and under the mounting bracket arms. then I threaded through the closest corners of the lil fan and the push fan on the radiator. I didn't have any fan extension cables or adapters to attach to a PSU cable but there was a socket on the bottom of the board that looked barely within reach. I took the front chassis fan off this header and put the NB fan on it. It looks ugly but I wanted to see how much cooler it would be without the NB cover. I hooked all the mouse/keyboard etc back in turned it on and eventhough I pushed delete the screen that came up asked what OS I wanted to boot. I thought how odd when I was expecting BIOS setup but contiuned. Withint oh a minute I shutdown and restarted to get POST and BIOS setup. I went to pchealth and to my astonishment cpu temp was 83! I immediately shut down and checked the eco power plugs to make sure everything was where it was supposed to be and hadn't wiggled loose. I rebooted and it was in the low 70's. Off again and this time took the 70mm fan out and unscrewed the pump to see if something weird had messed up between the IHS and pump. Not that I have any experience with what to expect but the paste was pretty much all over where its sposed to be. I put the pump back on left fan off and booted again. It started at 66 and climbed a degrees a second ish so off it goes again. Now I'm either going to put the stock cooler back together and try it or wait for advice from yall. I don't have a tube of paste just what was preapplied on both cpu coolers. I am quite discouraged atm, I don't know what I could have done wrong to so drastically affect the CPU temps unless when removing NB cover installing fan I broke something without noticing or something

 

3kJodo,
You have me confused. First thing I need to know is what motherboard you have, brand and model. You may have plugged it into something that isn't a fan header. Fan headers all have a white plastic aligning tab sticking up on one side of the header pins that goes in the groove on the fan plug. No offense, but this is why you wait and get the adapter plug. You can't make a mistake plugging the fan directly into the PSU using the adapter. You should have the fan control turned off in the setup, as you want the fans to run at full speed, and not controlled by the motherboard. What did you get the fan from. Yhe one on the stock cooler that came with the 965 is not powerful enough for the job. You need one from a stock aluminum block type many of the AMD's CPUs come with. I did mention that a couple of times in previous posts. Take a close look at where you plugged the fan in, and tell me if there is anything written close to it. This should have been a piece of cake. Another thing is where did you plug in the pump? That's real important as you can ruin the pump pluging it in a fan header that's controlled by the motherboard.

Russ

 

Russ there's only 4 headers on that board and as. I look back at page 496 he has the pump pluged into PWR_FAN. I guess he has the radiator or one of fans pluged into the CPU_FAN and My guess the front case fan is pluged into SYS_FAN2 Question is what's pluged into the SYS_FAN1 ?? and video card is solo


as you can see the top arrow is the radiator fan and the bottom arrow is the front case fan cause on those haf 932 that's the max rpm's speed for that size fan.I'm guessing the third speed is the pump motor connection Fan#5 was a renamed cause you can rename your fans in everest another words Edit it another Question is What fan turns that Fast? I wanna know that..

 

I see....I certainly hope mine fare better. They're powered by a corsair so I suspect I'll just have a fire hazard on my hands if they get stuck lol.


Anyway I finally ran the system this evening, and so far the wc setup is showing a good bit of potential. I messed up my first application of indigo xtreme so the cpu had practically no TIM on it except for on tiny little strip (I'll put a picture up later but it was about twice as wide the strip the metal is in before use) and temps still didn't get over 77C under a full load of OCCT. Going to try again later, really hope I don't botch the second application too *prays*.

 

its the gigabyte 790xta hmm lemme check my sig-ud4
yep you had me turn off smart fan jobby last week the rad fans are plugged into the MOBO headers the push fan is in the cpu fan header and the pull fan is on the pwr fan header
the pump is powered by PSU not the MOBO
the fan from the CPU cooler was plugged into the sys fan1 header
the heatsink fan says dv07020b12u AVC brand
the only power supply that I changed was the front chassis fan which was on sys fan 1 and moved it to f panel 3 pin header. I thought perhaps the pump became dislodged somehow while I was fiddling with the heatsink fan being strapped to it. Or perhaps the temp reading was in error for some reason. I tried touching the pump housing immediately after turning it off and it was only slightly warm. I didn't want to touch the cpu and aid my skin oil to the IHS but I didn't feel any heat eminating from it.

 

Will,
I'm pretty sure the pump is connected to the power supply which is straight 12V, no matter what. Lot's of little fans turn that speed, although they are generally very small fans, 40-50mm or so. I've seen them as high as 18000 rpm, oops here's one at 19000!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835221017

Russ

 

this is really weird plugged case back in after oh hr ish unplugged posted looked at pc health and the cpu temp is back down to 23C so I don't know what was up with the temp earlier. most peculiar. I suppose the next step will be putting the 70mm fan back on the pump chassis. I found an extra hidden cable extender so can run the fan off the PSU and put the chassis fan back to sys 1 header

 

3kJodo,
Fine, but you didn't answer any of my questions. LOL!! Mainly, what was the fan plugged into. The plug could have fit right on the clear cmos connectors on some motherboards, and that would wreck havoc with the computer and do just what happened to you, or worse. I don't mean to lecture, but impatience=$$$. Sometimes big ones!

Here's the type of adapter you need for that fan plug. The connector on the motherboard should look something like it if it's standing pins up.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835221017

Best Regards,
Russ

 

err I thought I did at the top of this page? though I think I forgot to hit the reply button to get a quote

 

I believe Will nailed it. My Pump is connected to Mobo header PWR_FAN. There are NO fans in this case that can breach the 2,000rpm threshold. Let alone 4,000! The reading of 4383 is probably some kind of error, if the pumps max speed is 1200. My stock Coolit fan(Apparently 1800), is plugged into CPU fan header. The 1200 scythe is also plugged into one of the headers. As well as the 700Rpm Haf932 fan. It has to be the pump being read wrong and putting out that error...I'm at a loss too

Should I really be concerned here? I mean, 2W isn't difficult to power LOL! And auto settings are completely shut off in the bios. Full power all the time

 

3kJodo,
I found it. it was another post at the top of the page. You want to put the pump on the power supply header. It's 12v all the time, even if it should reset the bios in a crash. It's still best to power it from the PSU with an adapter. That way you can do whatever you like with the fans, and not accidentally move it to a header controlled by the motherboard. What fans are you using for the ECO, and which fan is front and which fan is rear? If you got the Scythe I recommended, it needs to be at the rear, blowing out. It will pull fine, but it lacks a lot of head pressure and will go bad as a push fan. Whatever you use you want the lower cfm fan on the front of the radiator blowing into the rad, and the stronger cfm one on the rear, pulling air out of the rad. It will be quieter because it won't cavitate, and cool better.

Russ

 

I put the one you reccomended scythe one between the rad and chassis and the one that came with the eco on the inside which I think is the way you are meaning for them to be. The pump is connected to one of the PSU cables I took an adapter off one of the chassis fans and plugged the chassis fan to mobo
though you mention pump into power supply header would that be the one by the atx header labelled pwr fan? if so I can easily enough switch the pump power back to pwr fan and put the push fan power on psu cable
I also looked up my heat sink and it says its alum block maybe my heat sink fan is just big boned

 

I like this statement russ

3Kjodo: I think when he said Power supply header, he meant power supply molex

 

Sounds good. Was the fan you used for cooling the chipset from the heatpipe cooler that came with your CPU? If ss, that would explain why the loose fit. The cheapo AMD cooler that come with lesser CPUs have a 9 blade fan that moves a good bit of air and works great for cooling the chipset that way. It fits snug without needing anything to hold it down. The one that comes with the Phenom II has 7 smaller blades and moves less air, because of the small space between the fins needing less airflow. The ones from the cheap AMD coolers work great, move a good deal more air, and are very quiet since the space is so open. I'm going to put a long zip tie slipped under the mount and loop it around the fan so it won't ever fall out.

Russ

 

Oman7,
I tried them switched. It was loud, and didn't cool as well by about 5C!

Russ