The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition

One fails more than the other and it is always a matter of preference that's a no brainer. It is true that if you buy crappy media and your the type to close your disc in the drive when it is not fully in the tray you are going to have issues, but that really is preventable and should not happen often. But also has nothing to do with backup storage as that is produced and put away, not used on a day-to-day basis.

 

Well it does, because if you have backups, there is no consequence to your main storage failing, thus the argument about reliability is rendered completely irrelevant...

 

I don't see any flames? :S

 

I was simply reminding(Not my job) that this is the building thread. I humbly backdown though. I suppose we've only skewed off a little.

 

No because your backup can fail or be corrupted more so than optical media so it is relevant, most certainly.

Kevin, backups are a part of building PC's, at least it is for most of us including HP and other manufactures, so we really aren't off track.

I understand your frustration though...

 

That's why you check it? The odds of two HDDs with corresponding data failing at the same time are very low, far lower than the odds of an optical disc failing.

 

Sam, I just had a drive go down and had a second drive that was a backup of that drive. The backup drive had corrupted files on it, from copying one-to-the-other, even though it was supposed to be 100%. It was not but fortunately I had a better backup so I lost nothing but if I hadn't I would of lost about 20% of my programs.

 

Perhaps the drive that went down, was already doomed, when you transferred files? Reminds me of some optical drives. Believe it or not, there are optical drives that will ignore read errors. Contrary to some believing that is impossible. It is not impossible. It simply requires certain circumstances/variables to be met.

 

Nope, it wasn't but I was waiting for that response! It also was a BRAND NEW drive I backed up to with the same format sot that also isn't the issue. This isn't the first time by any means that this has happened to me or others I know either. Also I always check file numbers and size to assure a good copy and did so here but again it was not a 100% good backup. I've never had these kinds of issues and others I haven't even brought up here with optical media and it was optical media that save my buttisk!

Say what you want to support lazyness but facts are facts! Just to bring this into scope I too prefer to take the lazy route as well, but when it comes to importance I try to be smart, it doesn't always pan out but the attempt is there. LOL

 

What kind of case were these drives in? Heat can certainly corrupt the chips if not cooled well. I've dealt with at least one drive, that was improperly cooled. I learned my lesson with that one.

 

Nope again, heat could not have been an issue, no enclosure, open air, and only plugged in long enough to make the backup and check the backup. It also wasn't a full moon the Mayan's calender hadn't run out yet nor do I think Nostradamus predicted it either.

 

THat's some bad luck for sure :S

 

I think everybody has a good point to make, like the creak says to each his or her own, I love these disagreements at times, especially with this thread cause their always civil, many times it's when I learn the most, one can get great input thru these little spats.

Before I end, let me make a quick comment on what sammy said quote:
I think this conversation has run its course. If you have kids and you let them mess around with everything, sure perhaps optical discs are more robust. If you actually have some form of control though, mechanical storage is a lot easier.

If I'm not mistaken sammy, your like what in your twenties, and that's all well and good, I also said before, unless you have kids on your own, you can't make a comment like that, when it comes to PC's I would never fool myself, you have it all over me and always will, your a smart young man I respect and admire that, your also very dry for a youngster, meaning your sense of humor hardly ever gets out of first gear, and I don't mean that's a bad thing, I would much better converse with a dry young smart man than a humorous nitwit.

And I'm only trying to make this comment because I would love to offer you a little bit of advise, and if I didn't care about who you are I would not do it, Iv'e been to the UK several times in the last 5 years, and pretty much your rules are almost the same as ours, my kids are not out of control by today's standards, they would be when I grew up, if I would break something of my Dad's I would get a stern first warning, the second time the belt would come out, a boot up my butt or both, and I'm not complaining, every one I got I deserved, if I didn't than I would have been acting like today's kids, your not even allowed to scream at your kids today let alone give them a smack, these kids can call the cops on you today, and I've seen it happen, and beleive me, this go to your room, or no more tv for a week is a joke, so you do the best you can with todays rules and standards, and it's not easy by a long shot.

Unless you have raised a brood on your own, your comment is unwarranted, you are superior to me with this tech stuff, when it comes to old fashion facts of life you have a long way to go, I would never want you to say something like e.g. having a brewsky in some pub and make a comment like that in front of a bunch of Dad's, you might get more than some raised eyebrows, you might be a little offended at what I'm saying now, but in time I think you will get what I'm trying to tell you.

And yeah I know I'm off subject, but I didn't want to let this one go, sure I could have also pm'd you, but I also wanted some of the youngsters here to catch what I'm trying to say, and last don't forget, I'm saying this cause I like and admire your savvy inelegance, especially one as young as yourself, if I didn't think you were worth it I would never even post this, and hope you take this advise with good intentions.

And sorry there lightning man, I know your trying to get everybody back on subject, but hey a little off subject knowledge is ok sometime I'm hoping, especially on this thread where we all learn a lot from each other, most people in this gang are A1 in my book, so many other threads I visited or joined can't come close to this one. That's all your get out of me on this subject agreeable or not, I've said my piece.

 

I'm with you on that Fred, however my kids don't get away with h@ll nor do my sister’s kids but times have digressed!

Now that is off subject…

 

I finally Hooked up that NDAS, via that cheap Bytecc enclosure. I stuck a cheap old Seagate 80Gb drive in it. IDE...
Had to do some google-ing, but all in all, I'm impressed with it so far. I'll do some testing on it tonight. Once again, I didn't fully understand what I was buying :S Only ide drives. Although a small enough adapter MIGHT fit in it. Might be pushing it though. The seagate appears to run cool enough though. I'd like to find a cheap 500Gb drive for it though. It's for my mothers network

 

Cheap IDE drive? They don't exist today. A 500GB SATA runs $40 but a 500GB IDE runs north of $80-90 bucks.

 

Sounds about right I've been watching ebay though. I might be able to do better, or trade one of mine for a friends 5000AAKB drive they have It used to be mine.